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	<title>Comments on: When Low Interest Rates are Anti-Stimulus</title>
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		<title>By: bigmaq1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigmaq1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the reference...will keep it in mind for future reference...definitely fits our behavior, probably a form of cognitive dissonance response.

I especially liked the mock headline &quot;Wet Streets Cause Rain&quot; to illustrate how the media can distort the news.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reference...will keep it in mind for future reference...definitely fits our behavior, probably a form of cognitive dissonance response.</p>
<p>I especially liked the mock headline "Wet Streets Cause Rain" to illustrate how the media can distort the news.</p>
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		<title>By: LarryGross</title>
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		<dc:creator>LarryGross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well if you lived forever perhaps and the govt did not consider assets when determining poverty thresholds. Interestingly enough they don&#039;t for Medicare means-testing, ... apparently - you can have a lot of assets but only have to pay 100 a month premiums.

but for 2 million dollars, you could buy a pretty good life annuity that would pay you much more per year until you croaked.  that&#039;s essentially how many defined benefit plans actually work. They&#039;re annuities, as is social security. 

since the talk is about public debt - you might find this interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holders_of_the_National_Debt_of_the_United_States.gif

it basically shows who the govt currently owes - public and self.   All the &quot;self&quot; are Trust Funds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well if you lived forever perhaps and the govt did not consider assets when determining poverty thresholds. Interestingly enough they don't for Medicare means-testing, ... apparently - you can have a lot of assets but only have to pay 100 a month premiums.</p>
<p>but for 2 million dollars, you could buy a pretty good life annuity that would pay you much more per year until you croaked.  that's essentially how many defined benefit plans actually work. They're annuities, as is social security. </p>
<p>since the talk is about public debt - you might find this interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holders_of_the_National_Debt_of_the_United_States.gif" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holders_of_the_National_Debt_of_the_United_States.gif</a></p>
<p>it basically shows who the govt currently owes - public and self.   All the "self" are Trust Funds.</p>
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		<title>By: bannedforselfcensorship</title>
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		<dc:creator>bannedforselfcensorship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 03:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My newest thought experiment: with bank rates at around 1%, and the poverty line at $23,500, someone with 2 million in the bank would be considered poor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My newest thought experiment: with bank rates at around 1%, and the poverty line at $23,500, someone with 2 million in the bank would be considered poor.</p>
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		<title>By: Burn_the_Witch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burn_the_Witch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look up Gell-Mann Amnesia effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look up Gell-Mann Amnesia effect.</p>
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		<title>By: bigmaq1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigmaq1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once the LA Times runs an Op Ed on the idea, you know it is only a matter of time before the &quot;thinking&quot; in DC starts to veer in that direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once the LA Times runs an Op Ed on the idea, you know it is only a matter of time before the "thinking" in DC starts to veer in that direction.</p>
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		<title>By: bigmaq1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigmaq1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The media have ceased being merely ignorant &amp; biased, and are now active participants&quot;



Man, you don&#039;t know how right you are.



My thinking on that had changed some years ago after I had personally witnessed an event and seen it expressed on TV that night in a way completely different than what I know I saw. 

It was completely accidental.  I was not part of it, nor did I know what was going on until I heard the news report.  Then once I understood, I had a &quot;that&#039;s not right! Why are they saying that?&quot; moment.

Until then, like everyone else, I was &quot;too busy to notice&quot;, even though I had my suspicions and could point to examples of &quot;bias&quot; from a so called &quot;objective&quot; media.  But, when it goes beyond bias into doing the spinning itself (leaving a false impression), then its like a chapter out of 1984.  It is rather unsettling.

All I can say is know or try to take an educated guess from what you see as to the motivation from the people/organizations providing you the information.  Know that every source is biased anyway, but are they distorting the truth as well vs just providing a point of view?  Make your own decision to accept or not.  Don&#039;t just look for confirmation bias, but consider various view points from sources you can &quot;trust&quot;.


We are living in some challenging times with much of the media hardly asking the tough questions that need to be asked, made worse by some who ARE participants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The media have ceased being merely ignorant &amp; biased, and are now active participants"</p>
<p>Man, you don't know how right you are.</p>
<p>My thinking on that had changed some years ago after I had personally witnessed an event and seen it expressed on TV that night in a way completely different than what I know I saw. </p>
<p>It was completely accidental.  I was not part of it, nor did I know what was going on until I heard the news report.  Then once I understood, I had a "that's not right! Why are they saying that?" moment.</p>
<p>Until then, like everyone else, I was "too busy to notice", even though I had my suspicions and could point to examples of "bias" from a so called "objective" media.  But, when it goes beyond bias into doing the spinning itself (leaving a false impression), then its like a chapter out of 1984.  It is rather unsettling.</p>
<p>All I can say is know or try to take an educated guess from what you see as to the motivation from the people/organizations providing you the information.  Know that every source is biased anyway, but are they distorting the truth as well vs just providing a point of view?  Make your own decision to accept or not.  Don't just look for confirmation bias, but consider various view points from sources you can "trust".</p>
<p>We are living in some challenging times with much of the media hardly asking the tough questions that need to be asked, made worse by some who ARE participants.</p>
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		<title>By: mesaeconoguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mesaeconoguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The media have ceased being merely ignorant &amp; biased, and are now active participants in the farce - extensions of the state.

 

The state is officially your enemy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media have ceased being merely ignorant &amp; biased, and are now active participants in the farce - extensions of the state.</p>
<p>The state is officially your enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: mesaeconoguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mesaeconoguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That’s correct, the idea of private retirement asset seizure has been floated several times by Democrats.

 

In the name of “safety,” of course.

 

So not only are they suppressing rate of return, they may seize your retirement funds outright.

 

They will also dip into your bank accounts and remove funds at will, as they do currently in Italy (and other backward countries).

 

Outcome: violence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s correct, the idea of private retirement asset seizure has been floated several times by Democrats.</p>
<p>In the name of “safety,” of course.</p>
<p>So not only are they suppressing rate of return, they may seize your retirement funds outright.</p>
<p>They will also dip into your bank accounts and remove funds at will, as they do currently in Italy (and other backward countries).</p>
<p>Outcome: violence.</p>
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		<title>By: bigmaq1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigmaq1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 01:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The new Consumer Financial watchdog appointed (illegally) by Obama was just legally &quot;renewed&quot;.  I read that he has been talking about exploring the legal boundaries of their abilities regarding today&#039;s collection of retirement plans - this is in context of &quot;protecting&quot; consumers from the Wall Street sharks and the vagaries of the markets (translation:  Federal government access to individual retirement savings money in return for &quot;guaranteed&quot; income provided to retirees).


This rationale played out in Argentina where people found their (already devalued) savings turned into government bonds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new Consumer Financial watchdog appointed (illegally) by Obama was just legally "renewed".  I read that he has been talking about exploring the legal boundaries of their abilities regarding today's collection of retirement plans - this is in context of "protecting" consumers from the Wall Street sharks and the vagaries of the markets (translation:  Federal government access to individual retirement savings money in return for "guaranteed" income provided to retirees).</p>
<p>This rationale played out in Argentina where people found their (already devalued) savings turned into government bonds.</p>
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		<title>By: bigmaq1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigmaq1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, it is worse...there is evidence, because of the fungibility of money, that the banks have been using the extra funding for their &quot;house&quot; investments.  In other words, those QE deposits from the Fed are turning into the equity (stock or derivatives) investments, boosting earnings beyond the differential on deposits vs loans, and it is easier profits.

In a seemingly unrelated news story, I heard today that &quot;Wall Street&quot; bonuses will be up 8% this year on average.

Part of the Fed strategy is the hope that a buoyant stock market would create a &quot;wealth effect&quot; and thereby boost the economy (consumer/business confidence to spend/invest), while keeping rates low for the federal government debt (a 1% increase in rates on a $16T debt would have interest expense rival welfare expenditures, a 3% increase would have it rival pension or healthcare expenditures). 

So, we are left with the fact that they are deliberately attempting (successfully) to distort the market pricing mechanism for debt and equity.  As Bernanke alluded to in Jackson Hole, we are in &quot;experimental territory&quot;.  



Not sure how it will work out, but we hear lots of cheering from much of the popular media.  Too bad these smart folks didn&#039;t let us know of the pending crisis back in 2008.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it is worse...there is evidence, because of the fungibility of money, that the banks have been using the extra funding for their "house" investments.  In other words, those QE deposits from the Fed are turning into the equity (stock or derivatives) investments, boosting earnings beyond the differential on deposits vs loans, and it is easier profits.</p>
<p>In a seemingly unrelated news story, I heard today that "Wall Street" bonuses will be up 8% this year on average.</p>
<p>Part of the Fed strategy is the hope that a buoyant stock market would create a "wealth effect" and thereby boost the economy (consumer/business confidence to spend/invest), while keeping rates low for the federal government debt (a 1% increase in rates on a $16T debt would have interest expense rival welfare expenditures, a 3% increase would have it rival pension or healthcare expenditures). </p>
<p>So, we are left with the fact that they are deliberately attempting (successfully) to distort the market pricing mechanism for debt and equity.  As Bernanke alluded to in Jackson Hole, we are in "experimental territory".  </p>
<p>Not sure how it will work out, but we hear lots of cheering from much of the popular media.  Too bad these smart folks didn't let us know of the pending crisis back in 2008.</p>
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