Comments on: Sucking the Life Out of the Environmental Movement http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/12/sucking-the-life-out-of-the-environmental-movement.html Dispatches from a Small Business Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:41:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: OBloodyhell http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/12/sucking-the-life-out-of-the-environmental-movement.html/comment-page-1#comment-30579 OBloodyhell Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:19:07 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=9879#comment-30579 > <i>Instead of talking to them about CO2 capture, what about air pollution 101 type things like ash bags and exhaust scrubbing?</i> F*** that. How about designing a modular, safety-first nuke plant that we can sell around the world, and get rich while doing it? Then there's no reason to worry about the millions of tons of toxic sludge that scrubbers poop, or the thousands of excess deaths each year from coal mining and transportation, or the microparticulate aerosols, or any of the host of down sides to coal. The nuclear waste from a 3 GW plant would <i>fit under a kitchen table</i>. Hmmmm. Each year, a few cubic feet or 100 trains with 50 boxcars each, all filled with toxic sludge.... Hmmmm. Hmmmmm. I dunno, I can't figure out which is better. You? > Instead of talking to them about CO2 capture, what about air pollution 101 type things like ash bags and exhaust scrubbing?

F*** that.

How about designing a modular, safety-first nuke plant that we can sell around the world, and get rich while doing it?

Then there’s no reason to worry about the millions of tons of toxic sludge that scrubbers poop, or the thousands of excess deaths each year from coal mining and transportation, or the microparticulate aerosols, or any of the host of down sides to coal.

The nuclear waste from a 3 GW plant would fit under a kitchen table.

Hmmmm. Each year, a few cubic feet or 100 trains with 50 boxcars each, all filled with toxic sludge….

Hmmmm.

Hmmmmm.

I dunno, I can’t figure out which is better. You?

]]> By: bearpaw http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/12/sucking-the-life-out-of-the-environmental-movement.html/comment-page-1#comment-30501 bearpaw Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:18:35 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=9879#comment-30501 Another use for the clearcut rainforest is palm trees for palm oil or soybeans for cattle and vegetarians.And then because the rainforest is gone, it eventually becomes a desert. It's a rainforest because of the forest, which is what produces the rain. Humans can and do change the climate that way, but it tends to be locally. Another use for the clearcut rainforest is palm trees for palm oil or soybeans for cattle and vegetarians.And then because the rainforest is gone, it eventually becomes a desert. It’s a rainforest because of the forest, which is what produces the rain. Humans can and do change the climate that way, but it tends to be locally.

]]> By: Maddog http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/12/sucking-the-life-out-of-the-environmental-movement.html/comment-page-1#comment-30490 Maddog Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:11:30 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=9879#comment-30490 Here in Portland, Oregon we dump between 3 and 5 billion gallons of sewage in the rivers each year. That is only Portland. This makes the city the states largest polluter and of course the only consequence to the city is it must post when sewage is spilling into the rivers. Treat muni pollution just like corporate and the problem would be solved quite quickly. Here in Portland, Oregon we dump between 3 and 5 billion gallons of sewage in the rivers each year. That is only Portland. This makes the city the states largest polluter and of course the only consequence to the city is it must post when sewage is spilling into the rivers.

Treat muni pollution just like corporate and the problem would be solved quite quickly.

]]> By: Miss Breeziness http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/12/sucking-the-life-out-of-the-environmental-movement.html/comment-page-1#comment-30460 Miss Breeziness Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:39:09 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=9879#comment-30460 Very well said, especially regarding China's economic development and pollution problems. It's pretty ironic - in the past, a car engine or factory that had <i>only</I> CO2 as its waste product would be considered a huge <i>environmental breakthrough</I>. Very well said, especially regarding China’s economic development and pollution problems. It’s pretty ironic – in the past, a car engine or factory that had only CO2 as its waste product would be considered a huge environmental breakthrough.

]]> By: sch http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/12/sucking-the-life-out-of-the-environmental-movement.html/comment-page-1#comment-30447 sch Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:32:28 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=9879#comment-30447 Most of the rain forest in Brazil that is cleared is not suitable for sugarcane, but rather is used for a few years of subsistence or low end market farming and then switched to cattle til the soil gives out. Rain forest soils are relatively infertile without large inputs of fertilizer and organic materials. As to China, looks like they have two escape hatches cooked up: 1) As long as our CO2 production lags behind our economic growth rate, we are ahead of the game and this counts as a reduction. 2) our CO2 production is actually a benefit to the first world, as we are producing products for the benefit of the the US and Europe (and others) so our CO2 production should be charged to Europe and the US. Most of the rain forest in Brazil that is cleared is not suitable for sugarcane, but rather is used for a few years of subsistence or
low end market farming and then switched to cattle til the soil gives out. Rain forest soils are relatively infertile without large
inputs of fertilizer and organic materials. As to China, looks like they have two escape hatches cooked up: 1) As long as our CO2
production lags behind our economic growth rate, we are ahead of the game and this counts as a reduction. 2) our CO2 production
is actually a benefit to the first world, as we are producing products for the benefit of the the US and Europe (and others) so our
CO2 production should be charged to Europe and the US.

]]> By: me http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/12/sucking-the-life-out-of-the-environmental-movement.html/comment-page-1#comment-30441 me Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:13:41 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=9879#comment-30441 Spot on! I was just about to leave a comment to that (the disregard for entirely more beneficial ecological improvements) being the most deleterious effect of the warming discussion. I do wonder if it's a species thing, our fetishism of the grand catastrophes... Spot on! I was just about to leave a comment to that (the disregard for entirely more beneficial ecological improvements) being the most deleterious effect of the warming discussion. I do wonder if it’s a species thing, our fetishism of the grand catastrophes…

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