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		<title>By: Chris K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of a friend wrote this see if you can understand it Commiebob,

By Any Means Necessary
Though I find much in the life, philosophy and words of Malcolm X with which I disagree, there is one phrase of which I am perhaps more fond than he: By Any Means Necessary.

This great Republic is filled with men who - like me - will not submit to tyranny.

Though I have maintained medical insurance throughout my adult life - at great expense, especially during periods of unemployment - This I vow: if this disgusting travesty is signed into law I will immediately and permanently drop my coverage.

Further, I will take any and all possible steps to avoid paying any taxes or penalties associated with this ridiculous abuse of power.

Let me be plain: I hereby announce my intention to do everything within my power to willfully violate the so-called &quot;coverage mandate&quot; - for no other reason than the fact that I am a free man and will not be subjugated by this or any other regime.

Let this statement serve as my declaration and confession of guilt - if I am without coverage it is due to a deliberate and willful act on my part.

Further, let this serve as a warning that I will resist any and all attempts to use physical force to compel my compliance (or punish my non-compliance) by any and all means which are or may come to my disposal.

By Any Means Necessary.

Let me be clear: I have always maintained health insurance and will continue to do so - but an out-of-control government&#039;s demand that I do is probably the only thing which could PREVENT me from doing so.

I am a citizen, not a subject.

I will not submit.

I will resist.

By Any Means Necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of a friend wrote this see if you can understand it Commiebob,</p>
<p>By Any Means Necessary<br />
Though I find much in the life, philosophy and words of Malcolm X with which I disagree, there is one phrase of which I am perhaps more fond than he: By Any Means Necessary.</p>
<p>This great Republic is filled with men who &#8211; like me &#8211; will not submit to tyranny.</p>
<p>Though I have maintained medical insurance throughout my adult life &#8211; at great expense, especially during periods of unemployment &#8211; This I vow: if this disgusting travesty is signed into law I will immediately and permanently drop my coverage.</p>
<p>Further, I will take any and all possible steps to avoid paying any taxes or penalties associated with this ridiculous abuse of power.</p>
<p>Let me be plain: I hereby announce my intention to do everything within my power to willfully violate the so-called &#8220;coverage mandate&#8221; &#8211; for no other reason than the fact that I am a free man and will not be subjugated by this or any other regime.</p>
<p>Let this statement serve as my declaration and confession of guilt &#8211; if I am without coverage it is due to a deliberate and willful act on my part.</p>
<p>Further, let this serve as a warning that I will resist any and all attempts to use physical force to compel my compliance (or punish my non-compliance) by any and all means which are or may come to my disposal.</p>
<p>By Any Means Necessary.</p>
<p>Let me be clear: I have always maintained health insurance and will continue to do so &#8211; but an out-of-control government&#8217;s demand that I do is probably the only thing which could PREVENT me from doing so.</p>
<p>I am a citizen, not a subject.</p>
<p>I will not submit.</p>
<p>I will resist.</p>
<p>By Any Means Necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commiebob,
I&#039;m going to make this simple for you to understand, I would rather see all of you collectivists in Canada and the US frozen to DEATH than give or be forced to give you one cent for YOUR healthcare.  You see, I live for me and mine. If you want something from me you have to offer me value in return. Stealing my productivity for your &quot;right&quot; to healthcare is just that, theft.

Now I know the collectivist rant, I&#039;m an evil self obsessed white guy.  And you&#039;re right, I am.
The difference is I&#039;m also armed to the teeth.  You move douchebag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commiebob,<br />
I&#8217;m going to make this simple for you to understand, I would rather see all of you collectivists in Canada and the US frozen to DEATH than give or be forced to give you one cent for YOUR healthcare.  You see, I live for me and mine. If you want something from me you have to offer me value in return. Stealing my productivity for your &#8220;right&#8221; to healthcare is just that, theft.</p>
<p>Now I know the collectivist rant, I&#8217;m an evil self obsessed white guy.  And you&#8217;re right, I am.<br />
The difference is I&#8217;m also armed to the teeth.  You move douchebag.</p>
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		<title>By: epobirs</title>
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		<dc:creator>epobirs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CommieBob,

You are grossly misinformed on those outcomes. It has been well documented that America leads the world in things like cancer survival rates. It has also been well documented that the ways stats are kept can make things look worse for Americans than they actually are. For example, differences in how infant mortality is tracked can make lifespans appear shorter. This is similar to the fallacy that almost nobody a thousand years ago lived much past the age of forty, when in fact the majority who survived to adulthood made it well past that or were more likely to die of homicide than of a medical condition not induced by another human. High infant and child mortality rates can distort the historical view. 

Today, many countries treat a lot of what the US terms as infant deaths as having never happened. Every such death swept under the rug makes each person surviving to an advanced age count for more than they should. When you adjust for that and self-inflicted medical problems, Americans enjoy the best health care in the world by a considerable margin. Destroying the level of quality by having the government increase its level of interference massively is not going to make things better. Nor is that the political intent. It is purely about seizing power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CommieBob,</p>
<p>You are grossly misinformed on those outcomes. It has been well documented that America leads the world in things like cancer survival rates. It has also been well documented that the ways stats are kept can make things look worse for Americans than they actually are. For example, differences in how infant mortality is tracked can make lifespans appear shorter. This is similar to the fallacy that almost nobody a thousand years ago lived much past the age of forty, when in fact the majority who survived to adulthood made it well past that or were more likely to die of homicide than of a medical condition not induced by another human. High infant and child mortality rates can distort the historical view. </p>
<p>Today, many countries treat a lot of what the US terms as infant deaths as having never happened. Every such death swept under the rug makes each person surviving to an advanced age count for more than they should. When you adjust for that and self-inflicted medical problems, Americans enjoy the best health care in the world by a considerable margin. Destroying the level of quality by having the government increase its level of interference massively is not going to make things better. Nor is that the political intent. It is purely about seizing power.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks CommieBob....

I enjoyed the timing of the article...  right about when the push for HillaryCare  was starting up in the US, certainly no coincidence in the timing by the NYT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks CommieBob&#8230;.</p>
<p>I enjoyed the timing of the article&#8230;  right about when the push for HillaryCare  was starting up in the US, certainly no coincidence in the timing by the NYT.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the last time America tried to nationalize health care, border Americans mooched care from Canadians. The future doesn&#039;t bode well for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the last time America tried to nationalize health care, border Americans mooched care from Canadians. The future doesn&#8217;t bode well for you.</p>
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		<title>By: commieBob</title>
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		<dc:creator>commieBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous Mike,

The thing with Americans illegally getting health cards was back in the 1990s, then they tightened up the security.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/world/americans-filching-free-health-care-in-canada.html?pagewanted=1

The PITA is from personal experience.  I can renew my driver&#039;s license and car registration by mail.  Not so the health card.  In Ontario, you have to go in personally.  In my experience, almost no amount of identification seems to be enough.  OK they do give you a list of what you need to bring but somehow the clerk manages to make it seem like you did something wrong.  You not only have to prove that you are who you say you are but you have to prove that you have been living in the province for the last six months.  I had six months of pay stubs.  The rules say that works if you are a recent immigrant.  Since I had lived here for thirty years the clerk thought that six months of pay stubs weren&#039;t adequate!

There always seems to be a police car parked outside the local issuing office.  My theory is that he&#039;s there to handle freaked out disgruntled customers.  We sure had one of those the day I went in (no it wasn&#039;t me).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous Mike,</p>
<p>The thing with Americans illegally getting health cards was back in the 1990s, then they tightened up the security.<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/world/americans-filching-free-health-care-in-canada.html?pagewanted=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/world/americans-filching-free-health-care-in-canada.html?pagewanted=1</a></p>
<p>The PITA is from personal experience.  I can renew my driver&#8217;s license and car registration by mail.  Not so the health card.  In Ontario, you have to go in personally.  In my experience, almost no amount of identification seems to be enough.  OK they do give you a list of what you need to bring but somehow the clerk manages to make it seem like you did something wrong.  You not only have to prove that you are who you say you are but you have to prove that you have been living in the province for the last six months.  I had six months of pay stubs.  The rules say that works if you are a recent immigrant.  Since I had lived here for thirty years the clerk thought that six months of pay stubs weren&#8217;t adequate!</p>
<p>There always seems to be a police car parked outside the local issuing office.  My theory is that he&#8217;s there to handle freaked out disgruntled customers.  We sure had one of those the day I went in (no it wasn&#8217;t me).</p>
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		<title>By: Technomad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Technomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice that when Canadians talk about the US government, they generally tend to distrust it---until the subject of government-run health care comes up.  Then they all of a sudden act like the US government&#039;s as good as good can be, and would never, no NEVER, do anything rotten...and expect us to believe the same thing.  

Personally, I&#039;d rather just off myself rather than take government-run health care.  I know too much about the ways the VA system&#039;s screwed up, as well as the care available in our prison system---both 100% government-run, you notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice that when Canadians talk about the US government, they generally tend to distrust it&#8212;until the subject of government-run health care comes up.  Then they all of a sudden act like the US government&#8217;s as good as good can be, and would never, no NEVER, do anything rotten&#8230;and expect us to believe the same thing.  </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d rather just off myself rather than take government-run health care.  I know too much about the ways the VA system&#8217;s screwed up, as well as the care available in our prison system&#8212;both 100% government-run, you notice.</p>
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		<title>By: DKH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DKH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As far as I can tell, having talked to my colleagues in the States, Iâ€™m better off in Canada.&quot;

Yes, well, of course, if it&#039;s something you want and it&#039;s offered one place and not another, then you&#039;re better off in the place that offers it.  What about all those in the US (or Canada) who don&#039;t want to be forced to buy health insurance that would be under this plan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As far as I can tell, having talked to my colleagues in the States, Iâ€™m better off in Canada.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, well, of course, if it&#8217;s something you want and it&#8217;s offered one place and not another, then you&#8217;re better off in the place that offers it.  What about all those in the US (or Canada) who don&#8217;t want to be forced to buy health insurance that would be under this plan?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commie Bob,

What province is it a &quot;major PITA&quot; in to get or renew a card?

Could you also point to an article or 2 about the major problems with Americans illegally obtaining health care cards?  I don&#039;t keep up with the Canadian papers as much as I used to so I missed that story and as someone who lived a number of years in Canada I&#039;m concerned about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commie Bob,</p>
<p>What province is it a &#8220;major PITA&#8221; in to get or renew a card?</p>
<p>Could you also point to an article or 2 about the major problems with Americans illegally obtaining health care cards?  I don&#8217;t keep up with the Canadian papers as much as I used to so I missed that story and as someone who lived a number of years in Canada I&#8217;m concerned about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Canadian too and commiebob is wrong. Our system sucks.

I guess that commiebob is young and healthy and doesn&#039;t need the system much. Me too, mostly, but I&#039;m watching elderly parents and in-laws suffer with an incompetent, expensive and uncaring system.

The commiebobs never understand that Americans spend a lot on medical care ... because they have it. Commibob, the yanks got money and we don&#039;t, because they are not commies.

My sense is that Canadians are growing more fed up with commiebob&#039;s willingness to steal our money to fund his problems. We experimented with socialism first and we&#039;ll leave it first. 

Why are you Yanks such copycats? Why do this thing after watching the pain of it everywhere? Kipling had it right I guess:

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool&#039;s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Canadian too and commiebob is wrong. Our system sucks.</p>
<p>I guess that commiebob is young and healthy and doesn&#8217;t need the system much. Me too, mostly, but I&#8217;m watching elderly parents and in-laws suffer with an incompetent, expensive and uncaring system.</p>
<p>The commiebobs never understand that Americans spend a lot on medical care &#8230; because they have it. Commibob, the yanks got money and we don&#8217;t, because they are not commies.</p>
<p>My sense is that Canadians are growing more fed up with commiebob&#8217;s willingness to steal our money to fund his problems. We experimented with socialism first and we&#8217;ll leave it first. </p>
<p>Why are you Yanks such copycats? Why do this thing after watching the pain of it everywhere? Kipling had it right I guess:</p>
<p>As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man<br />
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.<br />
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,<br />
And the burnt Fool&#8217;s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;</p>
<p>And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins<br />
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,<br />
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,<br />
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!</p>
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