so while it’s a pity that england has outlawed self-defense (and weapons) entirely, (and seen their crime rates unexplainedly skyrocket as a result)(it’s a mystery, really: 10 times more “hot” burglaries in england than here in the states. the bobbies are scratching their ‘eads over that one, they are.); we descendants of the minutemen here in america are free to take whatever steps we deem necessary to defend ourselves **so long as we read the bad guy’s mind** to see if he’s running for tactical advantage, or just simply running away like king arthur did in the ‘beast of caerbannog’ debacle.

interesting. amazingly enough, this load of fragrant steaming balderdash *does* seem to be the government’s rationale in pain-doc prosecutions, near as i can tell: “we the prosecutors FEEL like Dr. X is prescribing too many pain pills, therefore he must be a quack and/or a dealer.”

there are 2 kinds of people in this world, markm: the kind who think everything about the tony martin case (and now the paul clarke case) is a grotesque, nightmarish travesty; and the kind who think “he had it coming for not following state-approved ‘home-invasion victim’ procedures.” i think you’ve made it clear which camp you’re in. my only question is why you bothered to attack england for “britons no longer having a meaningful right to self-defense” just one paragraph after you condemned tony martin for….acting in self-defense. even after you *admitted* that a bad guy who’s apparently ‘running away’ doesn’t necessarily mean the fight’s over, and there’s no way to tell for sure just by looking.

But you need to study the Martin case a bit more before commenting about it. Martin didn’t shoot home invaders while they were breaking in or threatening him. He chased them off with a shotgun, then followed them and shot them in the back. That’s illegal even in Texas. It’s not self-defense when they’re running from you.

Of course, in Texas or nearly anywhere else in the US, it would have been quite legal to possess that shotgun, without any license and without giving anyone a reason. Martin would have had good reason to suspect that the thugs would make a phone call to the cop shop, then come back after the cops disarmed him. It is self defense when they’re running from you as a tactical move to regain the advantage… But Britons no longer have a meaningful right to self defense.

Ergo, KEEP IT. Cache it in a PVC pipe with grease and dessicant, and bury it vertically under a post or elsewhere nearby enough to be able to get to it, but off your property so you can’t be charged. A THINKING man should have no problem coming up with ways to do this without being caught.

This is *OUR* future, people — if we don’t put a stop to the creeping fascism in play here.

God help us, and GOD SAVE OUR REPUBLIC!

it’s the exact same principle as drowning the runts of a dog litter or hitting a stubborn mule across the head with a 2-by-4: you want and expect instant compliance and obedience. you’re simply getting their attention to help them to understand what’s required of them.

i rather suspect this sort of thing will continue until the authorities are somehow dissuaded from doing it – and the longer we wait to put a stop to it, the more…..ah….the more *vigorous* the dissuasion will have to be.

poor mr. clarke shouldn’t waste his time hoping/dreaming of a retrial or something that might pass for “justice” in a civilized country. he is no doubt familiar with the infamous case of england’s own tony martin, who – whilst having his home invaded by an armed pair of yobs – shot one dead and perforated the other with a lovely set of holes, albeit unfortunately not to a fatal extent. mr. martin was of course arrested and tried for – wait for it – for the *murder* of the dead home-invader, and for the wounding of arsewipe ‘B’. all of england was outraged! a man tried for murder simply for defending ‘imself, ‘is ‘ome, and ‘is property! ‘orrible! unfinkable! surely the courts would toss this out and give poor ol’ tony a grand apology, maybe lunch wiv the queen, and the order of the garter! england confidently expected acquittal, and waited as the trial date drew near.

whereupon, martin was **convicted** of the murder and woundings he was charged with, and sent orff to jail for “life in prison”, the usual sentence for fiendish killers such as him. they eventually paroled him, but it took awhile. at one hearing in which his parole was rejected, (think ‘red’ in ‘shawshank’), the parole board head, a cretinous moron known as sir david hatch, noted that – even after all the rehabilitation and shower rapes, etc., he’d been through, martin still seemed to “believe his action was right”. he ended up doing just under 4 years, IIRC. he has his life back now, such as it is, being a convicted murderer and all. that’s what mr. clarke can expect.

have a nice day, y’all….stay away from and never under *any* circumstances, speak to a cop…..or allow a search of your vehicle…(“you mind if i take a look for my own safety?” is sneaky cop-speak for “do you consent to a search of your vehicle?”)….or let them into your home without a warrant….sure it’s cynical. and had england’s mr. clarke followed those rules, he’d still have a life. these are the days in which we dine with wolves. watch your backs, coyoters.

The shotgun was most likely planted, to set him up.

Figured, btw, incident actually happened. Comments on Coyote prodded me to go check. Used links Coyote had, got data, then googled. Many hits. Actual event began to take second to reading comments on event, especially from professed liberals and from sheeple in British population. Learned, among other factoids, that at least some of these folks aware that possession of pepper spray in one’s purse could result in years of prison. Good percentage of British commentors believed there had to be more to the story than the paper reported, but many who interacted, while noting sentence not yet pronounced, expressed confidence (albeit w/ disappointment) that law would leave court no option.

Yes, there is a lesson here. Not hard to read, either.