Comments on: Sucking the Oxygen Out of the Environmental Movement http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/11/sucking-the-oxygen-out-of-the-environmental-movement.html Dispatches from a Small Business Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:41:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: DrTorch http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/11/sucking-the-oxygen-out-of-the-environmental-movement.html/comment-page-1#comment-28525 DrTorch Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:08:10 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=9713#comment-28525 Given that many environmentalists are explicit in their desire to see the human population decline...do they really see these pix pointing to problems? Given that many environmentalists are explicit in their desire to see the human population decline…do they really see these pix pointing to problems?

]]> By: ZZMike http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/11/sucking-the-oxygen-out-of-the-environmental-movement.html/comment-page-1#comment-27866 ZZMike Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:10:37 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=9713#comment-27866 Small wonder the Chinese won't have anything to do with either Kyoto or Copenhagen. Small wonder the Chinese won’t have anything to do with either Kyoto or Copenhagen.

]]> By: Brad K. http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/11/sucking-the-oxygen-out-of-the-environmental-movement.html/comment-page-1#comment-27861 Brad K. Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:57:54 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=9713#comment-27861 I like the idea of requiring an EPA sticker on cars, that includes the amount of fossil fuel used to mine and prepare all the materials, expended in transportation of materials, components, and the finished product, on cars and appliances. And also the carbon cost of all electricity, as if that device or car used electricity only from the least efficient coal fired plant, used to build the thing. And then the electricity cost in carbon for operating the appliance or charging the car each year. Unless your car charger is plugged into your own private wind farm, the current you draw might be that least smidgin required to keep that last coal fired power plant on line - so the electricity you use causes carbon dioxide as if you were wired direct to a coal fired plant. No matter where the current actually originated. I dislike the way the unscrupulous ad goes, that "our hybrid makes 250 miles to the gallon, between times we plug it in and drain the grid." When the reality is that making *any* new vehicle consumes more energy than a terrible oil burning, gas guzzling clunker consumes in 20 years. I like the idea of requiring an EPA sticker on cars, that includes the amount of fossil fuel used to mine and prepare all the materials, expended in transportation of materials, components, and the finished product, on cars and appliances.

And also the carbon cost of all electricity, as if that device or car used electricity only from the least efficient coal fired plant, used to build the thing. And then the electricity cost in carbon for operating the appliance or charging the car each year.

Unless your car charger is plugged into your own private wind farm, the current you draw might be that least smidgin required to keep that last coal fired power plant on line – so the electricity you use causes carbon dioxide as if you were wired direct to a coal fired plant. No matter where the current actually originated.

I dislike the way the unscrupulous ad goes, that “our hybrid makes 250 miles to the gallon, between times we plug it in and drain the grid.” When the reality is that making *any* new vehicle consumes more energy than a terrible oil burning, gas guzzling clunker consumes in 20 years.

]]> By: Elliot http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/11/sucking-the-oxygen-out-of-the-environmental-movement.html/comment-page-1#comment-27803 Elliot Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:29:20 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=9713#comment-27803 Drudge linked <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29471.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a> suggesting that "Cap and Trade" was going to be put on the "back burner"? Have you seen anything to support this, or could it just be wishful thinking? If I had to predict, I'd guess that if the Democrats pass some sort of sweeping health care deform that will embolden the leadership, making it more likely they will press hard for the "Cap and Trade" economic suicide. Drudge linked this article suggesting that “Cap and Trade” was going to be put on the “back burner”? Have you seen anything to support this, or could it just be wishful thinking?

If I had to predict, I’d guess that if the Democrats pass some sort of sweeping health care deform that will embolden the leadership, making it more likely they will press hard for the “Cap and Trade” economic suicide.

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