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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That George Bush is going to institute a tyranny any time now!

Oh wait...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That George Bush is going to institute a tyranny any time now!</p>
<p>Oh wait&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dunbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Dunbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(One more time without premature [return])

&lt;i&gt;Iâ€™m thinking this would lead to at least an obstruction charge.&lt;/i&gt;

IANL (heh) but if you clearly announce in terms of use what traffic data is and is not kept you cannot reasonably be expected to come up with the data after the fact.

OTOH it seems that complying with The Man is more a game of who you know and less how in compliance with the laws you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(One more time without premature [return])</p>
<p><i>Iâ€™m thinking this would lead to at least an obstruction charge.</i></p>
<p>IANL (heh) but if you clearly announce in terms of use what traffic data is and is not kept you cannot reasonably be expected to come up with the data after the fact.</p>
<p>OTOH it seems that complying with The Man is more a game of who you know and less how in compliance with the laws you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dunbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Dunbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt; Iâ€™m thinking this would lead to at least an obstruction charge.&lt;/i&gt;

IANL (heh)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Iâ€™m thinking this would lead to at least an obstruction charge.</i></p>
<p>IANL (heh)</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh wait, in the comments on the Reason sight they said Indymedia was threatened with obstruction charges but then the DOJ admitted it didn&#039;t have a legal leg to stand on.

Okey dokey.  So, government officially operates like the mafia.  They threaten to break your kneecaps until an even bigger gorilla shows up and then they drop the bat and run like hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wait, in the comments on the Reason sight they said Indymedia was threatened with obstruction charges but then the DOJ admitted it didn&#8217;t have a legal leg to stand on.</p>
<p>Okey dokey.  So, government officially operates like the mafia.  They threaten to break your kneecaps until an even bigger gorilla shows up and then they drop the bat and run like hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

I&#039;m no lawyer, but I&#039;m thinking this would lead to at least an obstruction charge.

Anyone still believe we live in a free country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no lawyer, but I&#8217;m thinking this would lead to at least an obstruction charge.</p>
<p>Anyone still believe we live in a free country?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dunbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Dunbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IANAL but .. what if you the organization in question simply deletes the data in question?

This is not difficult: the sysadmins simply erase those logs every X hours.  If you need to keep the data because you need to look at it, one can clean up the data removing significant information but leaving enough for traffic analysis.

Going further one can imagine that you can encrypt user information so the sysadmin can&#039;t see it but it&#039;s available to the system.

Oh, whoops: we don&#039;t keep that information, and we can&#039;t see the stuff we do keep: Sorry DOJ.

I wonder how much trouble one&#039;s org would be in for doing this.

And how soon we&#039;ll make a routine habit of doing this.

Man, sure would be nice to have a government we can trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IANAL but .. what if you the organization in question simply deletes the data in question?</p>
<p>This is not difficult: the sysadmins simply erase those logs every X hours.  If you need to keep the data because you need to look at it, one can clean up the data removing significant information but leaving enough for traffic analysis.</p>
<p>Going further one can imagine that you can encrypt user information so the sysadmin can&#8217;t see it but it&#8217;s available to the system.</p>
<p>Oh, whoops: we don&#8217;t keep that information, and we can&#8217;t see the stuff we do keep: Sorry DOJ.</p>
<p>I wonder how much trouble one&#8217;s org would be in for doing this.</p>
<p>And how soon we&#8217;ll make a routine habit of doing this.</p>
<p>Man, sure would be nice to have a government we can trust.</p>
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