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		<title>By: epobirs</title>
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		<dc:creator>epobirs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly Busher person, (I doubt you are a doctor in any field requiring rational thought and therefore deserving of doctorate degrees) it has long been demonstrated that the simple cure for population growth is wealth. Not fabulous dripping with money wealth but rather wealth as compared to how most of humanity has lived throughout known history. Many of the world&#039;s developed nations are experiencing a population crash. They cannot be bothered to have children because it is far too inconvenient for such affluent folk. The USA continues to grow only by virtue of immigration, while immigration is all that prevents parts of Europe from already being severely depopulated and desperate for labor. The population trends indicate that so long as more of humanity enjoys improving quality of life the global population will grow for only a few more decades, then begin to contract. Japan, a nation that does not welcome immigration, is already very worried about its future and incentives to have children are becoming more common from both the government and private sector. They face the specter of every Japanese below retirement age being fully occupied with caring for the retirees. This has also compelled a lot of research into robotics in geriatric care to prevent that future.

The Chinese didn&#039;t need a one child per couple, forced abortion program. They just needed to join the modern world and let its citizens choose to limit their reproduction voluntarily.

The predicted population level is well within the means of the developed world to feed quite well. The one thing that would lead to disaster would be to end further development in the third world. Subsistence farmers who produce as many children as they can to have more field hands are on a dismal path. Increasing the presence of modern agriculture with more of the population free topursue other forms of employment is how to save the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly Busher person, (I doubt you are a doctor in any field requiring rational thought and therefore deserving of doctorate degrees) it has long been demonstrated that the simple cure for population growth is wealth. Not fabulous dripping with money wealth but rather wealth as compared to how most of humanity has lived throughout known history. Many of the world&#8217;s developed nations are experiencing a population crash. They cannot be bothered to have children because it is far too inconvenient for such affluent folk. The USA continues to grow only by virtue of immigration, while immigration is all that prevents parts of Europe from already being severely depopulated and desperate for labor. The population trends indicate that so long as more of humanity enjoys improving quality of life the global population will grow for only a few more decades, then begin to contract. Japan, a nation that does not welcome immigration, is already very worried about its future and incentives to have children are becoming more common from both the government and private sector. They face the specter of every Japanese below retirement age being fully occupied with caring for the retirees. This has also compelled a lot of research into robotics in geriatric care to prevent that future.</p>
<p>The Chinese didn&#8217;t need a one child per couple, forced abortion program. They just needed to join the modern world and let its citizens choose to limit their reproduction voluntarily.</p>
<p>The predicted population level is well within the means of the developed world to feed quite well. The one thing that would lead to disaster would be to end further development in the third world. Subsistence farmers who produce as many children as they can to have more field hands are on a dismal path. Increasing the presence of modern agriculture with more of the population free topursue other forms of employment is how to save the future.</p>
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		<title>By: YASHDEEP</title>
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		<dc:creator>YASHDEEP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a student of 5th class in the DAV Public School Palampur India.Although i have studied very less about Dr Norman Borlaug yet listened some very interesting stories about this Great Man from my father Prof HK Chaudhary(Senior Wheat Breeder)regarding bringing a quantum jump in the production and productivity of wheat in the developing world.His stories are so interesting that I became fan of Norman Uncle.I pray to GOD to keep Norman uncle with HIM but send his clone as a replacement because lot of work is yet pending in the developing world on this mother earth.This time I also want to become companion of such a GREAT SCIENTIST and FRIEND of WHOLE MANKIND.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a student of 5th class in the DAV Public School Palampur India.Although i have studied very less about Dr Norman Borlaug yet listened some very interesting stories about this Great Man from my father Prof HK Chaudhary(Senior Wheat Breeder)regarding bringing a quantum jump in the production and productivity of wheat in the developing world.His stories are so interesting that I became fan of Norman Uncle.I pray to GOD to keep Norman uncle with HIM but send his clone as a replacement because lot of work is yet pending in the developing world on this mother earth.This time I also want to become companion of such a GREAT SCIENTIST and FRIEND of WHOLE MANKIND.</p>
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		<title>By: thebastidge</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebastidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Busher clearly is the one with his head &lt;del&gt;up his...&lt;/del&gt; in the sand. 

Let me type it for you s.l.o.w.l.y. Erhlich has been proven WRONG!

Continuing to argue for his point of view makes you look s.t.u.p.i.d.

There should not be any number of children &lt;i&gt;allowed&lt;/i&gt;- only what you choose to have. In other words, there is no allowing or disallowing: &lt;b&gt;you don&#039;t get to say&lt;/b&gt; for other people.

More prosperity is the only key to population problems. The only thing most people have in the 3rd world is the (nutritionally limited) strength of their backs. They breed like rabbits to have some percentage make it to adulthood to support them in turn with labour.  Until people are well-enough fed, well-enough educated, and prosperous enough to plan for the future rather than simply trying to survive, the population will continue to grow. One fo the worst things that could happen is a sudden population reduction. These things need to be graduated.

Population growth is already slowing, on a global basis. It will eventually taper off and decline when the economic incentive exists. That will be long before Malthusian cannibalism takes over, as long as we continue to embrace technological progress and principles of liberty.

Clearly, doc, you haven&#039;t traveled much. The problem with people getting enough to eat in the third world is not because our natural resources are so much better, it&#039;s how efficiently we utilize them. The majority of mankind&#039;s problems are created by cultural habits which have become (or in some cases always were) pathological. The problem with people in the 3rd world not being healthy and propserous are due to systems which siphon capital (human and monetary) away from rational usages and growth, and into hoarding out of scarcity mentality. Strongmen steal everyone blind, and once they start, can&#039;t get off the tiger, so they continue long past all personal utility. Authoritarians (like yourself) feel morally justified in forcing people to change, all the more so when they don&#039;t comply willingly, with what YOU say is in everyone&#039;s best interest (except theirs).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Busher clearly is the one with his head <del>up his&#8230;</del> in the sand. </p>
<p>Let me type it for you s.l.o.w.l.y. Erhlich has been proven WRONG!</p>
<p>Continuing to argue for his point of view makes you look s.t.u.p.i.d.</p>
<p>There should not be any number of children <i>allowed</i>- only what you choose to have. In other words, there is no allowing or disallowing: <b>you don&#8217;t get to say</b> for other people.</p>
<p>More prosperity is the only key to population problems. The only thing most people have in the 3rd world is the (nutritionally limited) strength of their backs. They breed like rabbits to have some percentage make it to adulthood to support them in turn with labour.  Until people are well-enough fed, well-enough educated, and prosperous enough to plan for the future rather than simply trying to survive, the population will continue to grow. One fo the worst things that could happen is a sudden population reduction. These things need to be graduated.</p>
<p>Population growth is already slowing, on a global basis. It will eventually taper off and decline when the economic incentive exists. That will be long before Malthusian cannibalism takes over, as long as we continue to embrace technological progress and principles of liberty.</p>
<p>Clearly, doc, you haven&#8217;t traveled much. The problem with people getting enough to eat in the third world is not because our natural resources are so much better, it&#8217;s how efficiently we utilize them. The majority of mankind&#8217;s problems are created by cultural habits which have become (or in some cases always were) pathological. The problem with people in the 3rd world not being healthy and propserous are due to systems which siphon capital (human and monetary) away from rational usages and growth, and into hoarding out of scarcity mentality. Strongmen steal everyone blind, and once they start, can&#8217;t get off the tiger, so they continue long past all personal utility. Authoritarians (like yourself) feel morally justified in forcing people to change, all the more so when they don&#8217;t comply willingly, with what YOU say is in everyone&#8217;s best interest (except theirs).</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Busher presents a nice strawman.  One is either for infinite population or a fixed, pre-determined limit on population.  Sorry, Doc, but humanity is not intelligent enough to figure out what that number is.  Further, the amount of human misery brought on by efforts such as those in China must be taken into consideration before rough-hacking a guess and inflicting it on people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Busher presents a nice strawman.  One is either for infinite population or a fixed, pre-determined limit on population.  Sorry, Doc, but humanity is not intelligent enough to figure out what that number is.  Further, the amount of human misery brought on by efforts such as those in China must be taken into consideration before rough-hacking a guess and inflicting it on people.</p>
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		<title>By: Foxfier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foxfier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta love it... folks say &quot;it works this way now, and so we must force people to kill themselves off&quot;-- as opposed to folks like this good, late, man, who said: &quot;it works this way now-- how can I change how it works?  People will starve...so I will find a way to get more food to them.  People in straw-and-mud one room huts, without plumbing, cannot fit with our population growth-- what about a sky scraper with huge population density?&quot;

Dr. Busher- you might want to research a little, maybe watch this kinda cutesy video:
http://romishgraffiti.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/debunking-overpopulation/

I&#039;m thinking mebbie misanthropes just like the idea of being able to get rid of people, &lt;I&gt;make&lt;/i&gt; those fools behave rationally.

Hm, sounds like Girl Genius&#039; &quot;Madboys&quot;.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta love it&#8230; folks say &#8220;it works this way now, and so we must force people to kill themselves off&#8221;&#8211; as opposed to folks like this good, late, man, who said: &#8220;it works this way now&#8211; how can I change how it works?  People will starve&#8230;so I will find a way to get more food to them.  People in straw-and-mud one room huts, without plumbing, cannot fit with our population growth&#8211; what about a sky scraper with huge population density?&#8221;</p>
<p>Dr. Busher- you might want to research a little, maybe watch this kinda cutesy video:<br />
<a href="http://romishgraffiti.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/debunking-overpopulation/" rel="nofollow">http://romishgraffiti.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/debunking-overpopulation/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking mebbie misanthropes just like the idea of being able to get rid of people, <i>make</i> those fools behave rationally.</p>
<p>Hm, sounds like Girl Genius&#8217; &#8220;Madboys&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Lawrence Busher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Lawrence Busher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re your comment on Ehrlich, so what is your answer?  More crowding until we have wall-to-wall people and bumper-to-bumper congestion forcing more and more straight-jacketing of individual freedoms until we are squeezed to the point that nobody has any elbow room at all?  There are 7 billion people on this planet.  Are we ostriches?  Borlaug bailed us out once.  How many Borlaugs are there out there?  Not enough I fear.  To attain the lofty goal of delivering the U.S. standard of living to the rest of the nations of the world, we would need 7 more planets.  Are you arguing that we should go ahead and be cheerleaders for an infinite number of people on this planet? If not, what is your number? How many should we be allowed to have?  Where do we stop, pull our head out of the sand and have the courage to address this question? Can you deliver on the promise of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness for everyone? An ostrich with his head in the sand doesn&#039;t keep it there forever.  Why is it that scientists and policy-makers are not seeking to ascertain exactly what the carrying capacity of Earth is?  Or seeking to reach a consensus on it to steer us to safety?  Where is the prudent judgment here?  What is the reasonable and right thing to do here?  Are you proposing an &quot;everybody do anything you want&quot; answer?  Are you proposing infinite crowding on the assumption that we will always have someone like a Borlaug to step in and bail us out?  Is that a safe bet?  Why is it that these are not legitimate questions to be addressed if we have any sense of honor and obligation to our children and future generations to deliver to them the quality of life that they deserve? Why is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re your comment on Ehrlich, so what is your answer?  More crowding until we have wall-to-wall people and bumper-to-bumper congestion forcing more and more straight-jacketing of individual freedoms until we are squeezed to the point that nobody has any elbow room at all?  There are 7 billion people on this planet.  Are we ostriches?  Borlaug bailed us out once.  How many Borlaugs are there out there?  Not enough I fear.  To attain the lofty goal of delivering the U.S. standard of living to the rest of the nations of the world, we would need 7 more planets.  Are you arguing that we should go ahead and be cheerleaders for an infinite number of people on this planet? If not, what is your number? How many should we be allowed to have?  Where do we stop, pull our head out of the sand and have the courage to address this question? Can you deliver on the promise of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness for everyone? An ostrich with his head in the sand doesn&#8217;t keep it there forever.  Why is it that scientists and policy-makers are not seeking to ascertain exactly what the carrying capacity of Earth is?  Or seeking to reach a consensus on it to steer us to safety?  Where is the prudent judgment here?  What is the reasonable and right thing to do here?  Are you proposing an &#8220;everybody do anything you want&#8221; answer?  Are you proposing infinite crowding on the assumption that we will always have someone like a Borlaug to step in and bail us out?  Is that a safe bet?  Why is it that these are not legitimate questions to be addressed if we have any sense of honor and obligation to our children and future generations to deliver to them the quality of life that they deserve? Why is that?</p>
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		<title>By: thebastidge</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebastidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bjorn Lomborg (&quot;The Skeptical Environmentalist&quot;) is another good resource to counter the Rachel Carsons (&quot;Silent Spring&quot;) and Paul Ehrlich (&quot;The Population Bomb&quot;).
 
Personally, I believe that the world is overpopulated from an aesthetic stabndpoint. But Aesthetics is not a valid reason to espouse policies like forced sterilization, and maintaining crushing poverty through communist redistribution. And a population crash is just as bad as a boom- because when the skilled portion dies off, it leaves the rest stripping the tree bark to feed themselves. This actually happens in north Korea- people are ruining the environment there out of deserate hunger, when prosperity is a few socio-economic changes away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bjorn Lomborg (&#8220;The Skeptical Environmentalist&#8221;) is another good resource to counter the Rachel Carsons (&#8220;Silent Spring&#8221;) and Paul Ehrlich (&#8220;The Population Bomb&#8221;).</p>
<p>Personally, I believe that the world is overpopulated from an aesthetic stabndpoint. But Aesthetics is not a valid reason to espouse policies like forced sterilization, and maintaining crushing poverty through communist redistribution. And a population crash is just as bad as a boom- because when the skilled portion dies off, it leaves the rest stripping the tree bark to feed themselves. This actually happens in north Korea- people are ruining the environment there out of deserate hunger, when prosperity is a few socio-economic changes away.</p>
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		<title>By: Hani Ghosheh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hani Ghosheh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Giant Knight 
 Dr. Norman Borlaug was one of a kind.  I had the chance to be in his class at Texas A &amp; M University, where he specked passionately at the age of 80, about a better future for humans.  Not only was he a teacher for me, but also he was a mentor for my father in the 1960â€™s  when was training agricultural specialist from all over the world on how to improve crop yields through plant breeding, in Mexico. Agriculture lost a giant advocate with his death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Giant Knight<br />
 Dr. Norman Borlaug was one of a kind.  I had the chance to be in his class at Texas A &amp; M University, where he specked passionately at the age of 80, about a better future for humans.  Not only was he a teacher for me, but also he was a mentor for my father in the 1960â€™s  when was training agricultural specialist from all over the world on how to improve crop yields through plant breeding, in Mexico. Agriculture lost a giant advocate with his death.</p>
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		<title>By: dave smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DrTorch...right.  Why he is not studied along side of GeoWashCarver is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrTorch&#8230;right.  Why he is not studied along side of GeoWashCarver is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: DrTorch</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrTorch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an indictment on me and my science eduation that I&#039;d barely heard of this guy.

I&#039;d also say it&#039;s an indictment on the Christian church and &quot;Christian education&quot; that this guy barely gets noticed as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an indictment on me and my science eduation that I&#8217;d barely heard of this guy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also say it&#8217;s an indictment on the Christian church and &#8220;Christian education&#8221; that this guy barely gets noticed as well.</p>
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