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	<title>Comments on: The Fair Labor Standards Act Restricts Employees, Not Just Employers</title>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 05:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if my employer has not given me any hours for over a month? I am past my probationary period and am a part time employee. I have an open schedule and have asked my store manager to schedule me with no result. IS there any law against this that is on my side!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if my employer has not given me any hours for over a month? I am past my probationary period and am a part time employee. I have an open schedule and have asked my store manager to schedule me with no result. IS there any law against this that is on my side!?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Stack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Stack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for a large shipping company. Hourly employees weren&#039;t able to access their email remotely because of concerns that we&#039;d have to pay them. Often the employees wanted access for non-work related reasons, but we had to disable their access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for a large shipping company. Hourly employees weren&#8217;t able to access their email remotely because of concerns that we&#8217;d have to pay them. Often the employees wanted access for non-work related reasons, but we had to disable their access.</p>
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		<title>By: Noumenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noumenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiro, I view your belief in competition as ideological.  You live in the most cooperative species on the planet other than ants, and you most likely spend 90% of your time just fitting into your role in society rather than defending it or trying to take over a new one.  You just want to feel life is a deadly competition because it&#039;s dramatic.

You&#039;d also have to watch an animal in nature for a pretty long time to find it even giving another animal a second&#039;s thought...

Anyway, the ubiquity and naturalness of competition don&#039;t mean it doesn&#039;t suck.  Am I not allowed to say I don&#039;t like rain just because it rains all the time?  Am I not allowed to propose an umbrella?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiro, I view your belief in competition as ideological.  You live in the most cooperative species on the planet other than ants, and you most likely spend 90% of your time just fitting into your role in society rather than defending it or trying to take over a new one.  You just want to feel life is a deadly competition because it&#8217;s dramatic.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d also have to watch an animal in nature for a pretty long time to find it even giving another animal a second&#8217;s thought&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, the ubiquity and naturalness of competition don&#8217;t mean it doesn&#8217;t suck.  Am I not allowed to say I don&#8217;t like rain just because it rains all the time?  Am I not allowed to propose an umbrella?</p>
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		<title>By: spiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>spiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cntd rant on competition....

In fact, my wife and I were having this very discussion the other day on her cousin, who just signed up for food stamps.  She gets $400/month for food for her fat self and her kid.  She is gainfully employed and also drives a much nicer car than we do.  When she went shopping with my wife, she saw the handful of coupons and generic brand groceries that in my wife&#039;s cart and asked &quot;why do you do all that.&quot;  After all, on $400/month for two people, you can get a full cart full-priced name brand groceries every trip to the store.
In the end, however, my wife and I succeed in keeping our small business open and in paying our bills every month (BARELY right now), and our pride in personal responsibility and our inner competitive drive for self-reliance keeps us off the gubmint&#039;s dole.  Maybe that makes us suckers, but I&#039;d rather take a job shoveling shit on the graveyard shift than depend on someone else to provide for my wife and kid.  I think it&#039;s what being a man and a libertarian is all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cntd rant on competition&#8230;.</p>
<p>In fact, my wife and I were having this very discussion the other day on her cousin, who just signed up for food stamps.  She gets $400/month for food for her fat self and her kid.  She is gainfully employed and also drives a much nicer car than we do.  When she went shopping with my wife, she saw the handful of coupons and generic brand groceries that in my wife&#8217;s cart and asked &#8220;why do you do all that.&#8221;  After all, on $400/month for two people, you can get a full cart full-priced name brand groceries every trip to the store.<br />
In the end, however, my wife and I succeed in keeping our small business open and in paying our bills every month (BARELY right now), and our pride in personal responsibility and our inner competitive drive for self-reliance keeps us off the gubmint&#8217;s dole.  Maybe that makes us suckers, but I&#8217;d rather take a job shoveling shit on the graveyard shift than depend on someone else to provide for my wife and kid.  I think it&#8217;s what being a man and a libertarian is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: spiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>spiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But competition sucks and is no fun&quot;

Really?  Then you might as well swallow a bullet today, because (excepting religious dogma) competition is the essence of life.  Not just human life, ALL life.
If not to compete, Noumenon, why do you wake up every day?
How have you obtained your education? Companionship? Income?
Next time you find yourself in a situation where you can observe nature, take a minute to really observe the way animals interact.  It is ALL centered around competition.  Even domesticated animals still have quirky instinctive habits tied to competitive vigor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But competition sucks and is no fun&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?  Then you might as well swallow a bullet today, because (excepting religious dogma) competition is the essence of life.  Not just human life, ALL life.<br />
If not to compete, Noumenon, why do you wake up every day?<br />
How have you obtained your education? Companionship? Income?<br />
Next time you find yourself in a situation where you can observe nature, take a minute to really observe the way animals interact.  It is ALL centered around competition.  Even domesticated animals still have quirky instinctive habits tied to competitive vigor.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noumenon, Corporations don&#039;t have feelings, but the managers of corporations do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noumenon, Corporations don&#8217;t have feelings, but the managers of corporations do.</p>
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		<title>By: Noumenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noumenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I acknowledge there is an element of &quot;competition for me and not for thee&quot; in this.  But competition sucks and is no fun (well, winning is fun).  I think it&#039;s OK for us to force competition on corporations, though, because they don&#039;t have actual feelings, and nobody cares if they can&#039;t compete and die.  Employees are different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I acknowledge there is an element of &#8220;competition for me and not for thee&#8221; in this.  But competition sucks and is no fun (well, winning is fun).  I think it&#8217;s OK for us to force competition on corporations, though, because they don&#8217;t have actual feelings, and nobody cares if they can&#8217;t compete and die.  Employees are different.</p>
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		<title>By: Agammamon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agammamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole bit about being &quot;forced&quot; to work unpaid because your coworkers will do it is called competition.

Employers compete for employees and employees compete for employers.

There is a strong belief in this country that an employee is just a powerless little man who can never get a good deal for himself, who is always getting screwed over.  So we create minimum wage laws and the FLSA and give oftimes give unions the backing of law enforcement in negotiations.  All this does is help those who work enjoy a decent wage at the expense of marginal producers and increased prices for all goods.  

But it does have benefits for government since we can take the earnings of those working and redistribute it to those who can not.  Whole bunch of jobs &quot;created&quot; managing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole bit about being &#8220;forced&#8221; to work unpaid because your coworkers will do it is called competition.</p>
<p>Employers compete for employees and employees compete for employers.</p>
<p>There is a strong belief in this country that an employee is just a powerless little man who can never get a good deal for himself, who is always getting screwed over.  So we create minimum wage laws and the FLSA and give oftimes give unions the backing of law enforcement in negotiations.  All this does is help those who work enjoy a decent wage at the expense of marginal producers and increased prices for all goods.  </p>
<p>But it does have benefits for government since we can take the earnings of those working and redistribute it to those who can not.  Whole bunch of jobs &#8220;created&#8221; managing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Noumenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noumenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill: 

It&#039;s just human nature that someone who is not an exempt employee, might come to think being exempt sucks. Just the way exempt employees think being hourly sucks, and Taliban think being American sucks, and jocks think being a nerd sucks.  Everybody thinks their own way is best.  Including you, obviously.
  
It&#039;s better that way; otherwise, those of us who are going to be doing low level work for years and years would &lt;i&gt;dislike&lt;/i&gt; it all those years -- but most don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill: </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just human nature that someone who is not an exempt employee, might come to think being exempt sucks. Just the way exempt employees think being hourly sucks, and Taliban think being American sucks, and jocks think being a nerd sucks.  Everybody thinks their own way is best.  Including you, obviously.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s better that way; otherwise, those of us who are going to be doing low level work for years and years would <i>dislike</i> it all those years &#8212; but most don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Noumenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noumenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capt. Grandpa:  
I&#039;m on board with you there.  My company switched to a shift of four twelves, then three twelves the next week that gives me seven days off every two weeks.  I&#039;m very aware the inflexible labor laws make that more expensive than working eight hours every single day, and that I&#039;m lucky my company was still able to do it.

So I guess what I&#039;m saying is it&#039;s very easy for me to see the upside of allowing the worker to offer to work more hours one day and fewer the next.  It&#039;s not so easy for me to see the upside of allowing the worker to offer to work for less money and longer hours with no pay.  

I guess that&#039;s because of my limited perspective; if I were an employer, it would be easy to imagine my company being forced to offer flex time to everyone because some people wanted it.  Since I&#039;m just an employee, that didn&#039;t loom as large as the idea of an employee being forced to work unpaid because other employees would do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capt. Grandpa:<br />
I&#8217;m on board with you there.  My company switched to a shift of four twelves, then three twelves the next week that gives me seven days off every two weeks.  I&#8217;m very aware the inflexible labor laws make that more expensive than working eight hours every single day, and that I&#8217;m lucky my company was still able to do it.</p>
<p>So I guess what I&#8217;m saying is it&#8217;s very easy for me to see the upside of allowing the worker to offer to work more hours one day and fewer the next.  It&#8217;s not so easy for me to see the upside of allowing the worker to offer to work for less money and longer hours with no pay.  </p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s because of my limited perspective; if I were an employer, it would be easy to imagine my company being forced to offer flex time to everyone because some people wanted it.  Since I&#8217;m just an employee, that didn&#8217;t loom as large as the idea of an employee being forced to work unpaid because other employees would do it.</p>
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