Comments on: My Greatest Fear on the Health Care Bill http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/07/my-greatest-fear-on-the-health-care-bill.html Dispatches from a Small Business Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:12:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: John Moore http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/07/my-greatest-fear-on-the-health-care-bill.html/comment-page-1#comment-21304 John Moore Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:41:31 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=8564#comment-21304 Jason, It is not only the angry left that confuse privacy with liberty. Libertarians are just as extreme in that regard. Jason,

It is not only the angry left that confuse privacy with liberty. Libertarians are just as extreme in that regard.

]]> By: macquechoux http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/07/my-greatest-fear-on-the-health-care-bill.html/comment-page-1#comment-21278 macquechoux Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:32:38 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=8564#comment-21278 Bertha, it is going to be worse than that. The nanny staters, wing nuts, et al, will be limiting, dictating, controlling, and taxing our food because it we don't eat "healthy" than the government will have to pay for our life style choices. The government is going to end up in your shopping cart, kitchen, pantry, and coffee room at work... all in the name of providing health care and protecting you. Bertha, it is going to be worse than that. The nanny staters, wing nuts, et al, will be limiting, dictating, controlling, and taxing our food because it we don’t eat “healthy” than the government will have to pay for our life style choices. The government is going to end up in your shopping cart, kitchen, pantry, and coffee room at work… all in the name of providing health care and protecting you.

]]> By: Jason http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/07/my-greatest-fear-on-the-health-care-bill.html/comment-page-1#comment-21268 Jason Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:58:54 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=8564#comment-21268 I agree (mostly) with DKH and John Moore, but would like to add: The Angry Left confuses privacy with liberty. If I accept the loss of privacy that comes from this email being screened by NSA and that same screening system prevented the death of your family in the next 9-11 plot, then I don't really feel I have lost a lot of liberty. Maybe if I were selling meth or trading child porn then giving up my privacy would have a direct impact on my liberty- and those that seem to most adamantly equate privacy and freedom always seem to have some habits that would be considered at least reprehensible and often illegal. Second, not sure how "W" slipped into some of the big spending - in percentage terms, not out of line, given the circumstances- but his execution of the prescription drug benefit was a brilliant application of free market reform to government health care. As our host often points out, government often layers more bad regulations on top of bad regulations in order to address the unintended consequences of the original bad policy (Sar-box, Freddy Fanny...) By structuring a large federal program around free market competition, Bush showed that nanny state objectives can be met more efficiently with free markets, without compromising the objectives or leading to profiteering. I agree (mostly) with DKH and John Moore, but would like to add:

The Angry Left confuses privacy with liberty. If I accept the loss of privacy that comes from this email being screened by NSA and that same screening system prevented the death of your family in the next 9-11 plot, then I don’t really feel I have lost a lot of liberty. Maybe if I were selling meth or trading child porn then giving up my privacy would have a direct impact on my liberty- and those that seem to most adamantly equate privacy and freedom always seem to have some habits that would be considered at least reprehensible and often illegal.

Second, not sure how “W” slipped into some of the big spending – in percentage terms, not out of line, given the circumstances- but his execution of the prescription drug benefit was a brilliant application of free market reform to government health care. As our host often points out, government often layers more bad regulations on top of bad regulations in order to address the unintended consequences of the original bad policy (Sar-box, Freddy Fanny…) By structuring a large federal program around free market competition, Bush showed that nanny state objectives can be met more efficiently with free markets, without compromising the objectives or leading to profiteering.

]]> By: John Moore http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/07/my-greatest-fear-on-the-health-care-bill.html/comment-page-1#comment-21265 John Moore Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:49:42 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=8564#comment-21265 <blockquote>As abhorrent as the current aggressively statist President is, McCain offered a trip down the same path. Barry is getting me to the revolution faster.</blockquote> You are dangerously deluded! Revolutions typically kill 10% of the population. Do you really want that? Nutso, man.

As abhorrent as the current aggressively statist President is, McCain offered a trip down the same path. Barry is getting me to the revolution faster.

You are dangerously deluded!

Revolutions typically kill 10% of the population. Do you really want that?

Nutso, man.

]]> By: foxmarks http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/07/my-greatest-fear-on-the-health-care-bill.html/comment-page-1#comment-21262 foxmarks Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:47:32 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=8564#comment-21262 John Moore: As I hear it, PATRIOT is used as a tool in the War on (some) Drugs. There are no significant liberties compromises looking through the terrorism lens, but the state enjoys magnified ability to meddle in other voluntary transactions. As abhorrent as the current aggressively statist President is, McCain offered a trip down the same path. Barry is getting me to the revolution faster. Either way it was going to be ugly, and I have no regrets voting someone other than Country First. It’s still anti-individualism. With all McCain‘s “reach across the aisle” crapola, we would still have had a porkulous, cap-and-tax, and probably already passed some lousy health care reform. Each generation has to learn for itself that politicians are liars, and that government cannot solve the calculation problem. John Moore:
As I hear it, PATRIOT is used as a tool in the War on (some) Drugs. There are no significant liberties compromises looking through the terrorism lens, but the state enjoys magnified ability to meddle in other voluntary transactions.

As abhorrent as the current aggressively statist President is, McCain offered a trip down the same path. Barry is getting me to the revolution faster. Either way it was going to be ugly, and I have no regrets voting someone other than Country First. It’s still anti-individualism. With all McCain‘s “reach across the aisle” crapola, we would still have had a porkulous, cap-and-tax, and probably already passed some lousy health care reform.

Each generation has to learn for itself that politicians are liars, and that government cannot solve the calculation problem.

]]> By: Rick http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/07/my-greatest-fear-on-the-health-care-bill.html/comment-page-1#comment-21261 Rick Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:15:43 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=8564#comment-21261 I think it's interesting how some people here are writing about Bush like he's some misunderstood hero. Bush was a terrible President. His gangs nationalism, war profiteering, and bank bailouts have done more to user in socialism than anything Obama's doing. Bush laid the foundation for Obama. I think it’s interesting how some people here are writing about Bush like he’s some misunderstood hero. Bush was a terrible President. His gangs nationalism, war profiteering, and bank bailouts have done more to user in socialism than anything Obama’s doing. Bush laid the foundation for Obama.

]]> By: Rick http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/07/my-greatest-fear-on-the-health-care-bill.html/comment-page-1#comment-21260 Rick Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:13:11 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=8564#comment-21260 I think it's interesting how some people here are writing about Bush like he's some misunderstood hero. Bush was a terrible President. His gangs nationalism, war profiteering, and bank bailouts did more to help usher in socialism than anything Obama is doing. Bush laid the foundation for Obama. I think it’s interesting how some people here are writing about Bush like he’s some misunderstood hero. Bush was a terrible President. His gangs nationalism, war profiteering, and bank bailouts did more to help usher in socialism than anything Obama is doing. Bush laid the foundation for Obama.

]]> By: Mesa Econoguy http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/07/my-greatest-fear-on-the-health-care-bill.html/comment-page-1#comment-21248 Mesa Econoguy Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:04:18 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=8564#comment-21248 We already know Obama’s repertoire consists of Jimmy Carter self-righteous bullshit, coupled with the trial lawyers & unions demand lists. He’s already a proven fascist (see GM, Chrysler). Dr. T hits probably the more important point: None of this is about “reform” in any way – it’s about redistribution, of power and wealth. It’s being removed from us, and given to clueless 60s radicals and their bureaucratic minions. These people haven’t studied any economics and hardly any history. They are flat-out delusional, as is the 50+% sucker contingency who voted for this moron. And great point about end-of-life care, coyote. If this crap passes, and I’m denied life-extending care down the road, I’ll have a whole list of administrative offices to suicide bomb. That’s one choice where they’ll increase options. If I haven’t left the country already, that is. We already know Obama’s repertoire consists of Jimmy Carter self-righteous bullshit, coupled with the trial lawyers & unions demand lists. He’s already a proven fascist (see GM, Chrysler).

Dr. T hits probably the more important point:

None of this is about “reform” in any way – it’s about redistribution, of power and wealth. It’s being removed from us, and given to clueless 60s radicals and their bureaucratic minions.

These people haven’t studied any economics and hardly any history. They are flat-out delusional, as is the 50+% sucker contingency who voted for this moron.

And great point about end-of-life care, coyote. If this crap passes, and I’m denied life-extending care down the road, I’ll have a whole list of administrative offices to suicide bomb. That’s one choice where they’ll increase options.

If I haven’t left the country already, that is.

]]> By: Michael http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/07/my-greatest-fear-on-the-health-care-bill.html/comment-page-1#comment-21247 Michael Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:59:06 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=8564#comment-21247 I think Bush would have liked to set up a legal way of dealing with the people at Gitmo, but every leftwing legal group was suing him to control the process which is still going on. I think Bush would have liked to set up a legal way of dealing with the people at Gitmo, but every leftwing legal group was suing him to control the process which is still going on.

]]> By: Michael http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/07/my-greatest-fear-on-the-health-care-bill.html/comment-page-1#comment-21246 Michael Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:52:32 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=8564#comment-21246 You have to remember that the left really thought Bush was going to declare marshal law to stay president for life. You can't be on the left and be rational. Take Biden, the way to stop bankruptcy is through debt based spending. You have to remember that the left really thought Bush was going to declare marshal law to stay president for life. You can’t be on the left and be rational. Take Biden, the way to stop bankruptcy is through debt based spending.

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