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	<title>Comments on: Health Care Trojan Horse For Fascism (Episode 36)</title>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 05:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another interesting take on the healtcare debate. Bit funny at that: http://www.newsweek.com/id/209817?digg=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting take on the healtcare debate. Bit funny at that: <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/209817?digg=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsweek.com/id/209817?digg=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: thebastidge</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebastidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My buddy and I have been discussing this issue of teen-to-20-something slackers skating their way through our checking accounts with injuries, all taken care of by the new socialist vision of medical care for the masses.

Joe Teicher: Taxing income may be a disincentive in a generalized fashion, but people often innovate around it, or ignore the disncentive because of their personal drive to be useful and relevant, to be good, worthwhile, useful people. 

Regulating with more specificity penalizes good ideas more than bad ideas- because people can generally recognize a bad idea and the majority tends to avoid it anyway. So legislators will focus on regulating the specific behaviours that they personally have an axe to grind against, and this will add an extra-high barrier to activities that have steep trade-offs but are evaluated on an individual level to be worth the trade-off. 

Generalized income taxes lower the benefits for everyone, but specific regulation cuts out the margins, where most of the innovation takes place. People will still have to trudge in to work to feed themselves, but drudgery will make up a greater part of the workforce, with rewarding work that advances the human race stultifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My buddy and I have been discussing this issue of teen-to-20-something slackers skating their way through our checking accounts with injuries, all taken care of by the new socialist vision of medical care for the masses.</p>
<p>Joe Teicher: Taxing income may be a disincentive in a generalized fashion, but people often innovate around it, or ignore the disncentive because of their personal drive to be useful and relevant, to be good, worthwhile, useful people. </p>
<p>Regulating with more specificity penalizes good ideas more than bad ideas- because people can generally recognize a bad idea and the majority tends to avoid it anyway. So legislators will focus on regulating the specific behaviours that they personally have an axe to grind against, and this will add an extra-high barrier to activities that have steep trade-offs but are evaluated on an individual level to be worth the trade-off. </p>
<p>Generalized income taxes lower the benefits for everyone, but specific regulation cuts out the margins, where most of the innovation takes place. People will still have to trudge in to work to feed themselves, but drudgery will make up a greater part of the workforce, with rewarding work that advances the human race stultifying.</p>
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		<title>By: Foxfier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foxfier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Methinks-
they re-defined &#039;obese&#039; fairly recently. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2223095/pagenum/all/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This is a pretty decent&lt;/a&gt; chunk of info that should help if you want a starting point for more research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Methinks-<br />
they re-defined &#8216;obese&#8217; fairly recently. <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2223095/pagenum/all/" rel="nofollow">This is a pretty decent</a> chunk of info that should help if you want a starting point for more research.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Teicher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Teicher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno. this just doesn&#039;t bother me too much. The government is going to tax. The only questions are what activities is it going to tax and how much. Most of the taxes we pay hit productive activities (working, investing) that are very hard to avoid if you want to live in this society. Taxing unhealthy foods or risky behaviors seems pretty benign next to taxing income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno. this just doesn&#8217;t bother me too much. The government is going to tax. The only questions are what activities is it going to tax and how much. Most of the taxes we pay hit productive activities (working, investing) that are very hard to avoid if you want to live in this society. Taxing unhealthy foods or risky behaviors seems pretty benign next to taxing income.</p>
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		<title>By: spiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>spiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point on this that occurred to me while grocery shopping last night.  Will this tax only be placed on prepared foods?  Because, if it is also placed on grocery items, then we&#039;ll have a HUGE problem determining which foods should be taxed.  Avocados and almonds, both widely accepted as &#039;healthy&#039; foods, are also high in fats and calories/mass.  Or, how about olive oil, it is 100% fat.

Once we give some agency, be it congress or the FDA, the power to create a rubric for determining the &#039;healthy level&#039; of foods, lobbyists and bribes from Big Food can&#039;t be far behind.

Not to mention the increased food prices having a greater impact on lower income families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point on this that occurred to me while grocery shopping last night.  Will this tax only be placed on prepared foods?  Because, if it is also placed on grocery items, then we&#8217;ll have a HUGE problem determining which foods should be taxed.  Avocados and almonds, both widely accepted as &#8216;healthy&#8217; foods, are also high in fats and calories/mass.  Or, how about olive oil, it is 100% fat.</p>
<p>Once we give some agency, be it congress or the FDA, the power to create a rubric for determining the &#8216;healthy level&#8217; of foods, lobbyists and bribes from Big Food can&#8217;t be far behind.</p>
<p>Not to mention the increased food prices having a greater impact on lower income families.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr.T,

I always learn something from your posts.  Did the number of obese suddenly increase when they began using the BMI as the measure?  I don&#039;t know if you happen to know whether the number of the dangerously obese is increasing as a percentage of the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr.T,</p>
<p>I always learn something from your posts.  Did the number of obese suddenly increase when they began using the BMI as the measure?  I don&#8217;t know if you happen to know whether the number of the dangerously obese is increasing as a percentage of the population.</p>
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		<title>By: TJIC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJIC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; If TJIC cuts his finger off on his band saw, isnâ€™t that costing me money in our new socialist regime?  

Part of the problem with socialization is that moralization enters into the discussion of what is an &quot;invalid&quot; externality and what is not.

If our left-wing blue-state pseudo-intellectual overlords decide to tax or forbid externality producing activities, they will remember to ban motorcycle riding sans helmets (or, perhaps just motorcycle riding), bull riding, mixed martial arts, etc., but will have no problem with proper and sophisticated blue state activities like rock climbing, eco tourism, sexual promiscuity, etc.

Put the right wing authoritarians in charge, and the reverse would be enacted.

There&#039;s no difference between a broken neck from being thrown off a motorcycle and from falling off a rock face.

There&#039;s no difference between arteries clogged from Dunkin Donuts and artiers clogged from Bearnaise sauce.

...but the government officials would see one, sure as heck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; If TJIC cuts his finger off on his band saw, isnâ€™t that costing me money in our new socialist regime?  </p>
<p>Part of the problem with socialization is that moralization enters into the discussion of what is an &#8220;invalid&#8221; externality and what is not.</p>
<p>If our left-wing blue-state pseudo-intellectual overlords decide to tax or forbid externality producing activities, they will remember to ban motorcycle riding sans helmets (or, perhaps just motorcycle riding), bull riding, mixed martial arts, etc., but will have no problem with proper and sophisticated blue state activities like rock climbing, eco tourism, sexual promiscuity, etc.</p>
<p>Put the right wing authoritarians in charge, and the reverse would be enacted.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no difference between a broken neck from being thrown off a motorcycle and from falling off a rock face.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no difference between arteries clogged from Dunkin Donuts and artiers clogged from Bearnaise sauce.</p>
<p>&#8230;but the government officials would see one, sure as heck.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikey G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The charts call me obese as well.  Nevermind I do an ironman triathlon every year and can bench 1.5X my body weight.  I am nothing but a fatty, best to put an extra tax on me.  I think a 5% surcharge should do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The charts call me obese as well.  Nevermind I do an ironman triathlon every year and can bench 1.5X my body weight.  I am nothing but a fatty, best to put an extra tax on me.  I think a 5% surcharge should do it.</p>
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		<title>By: spiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>spiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse my French, but this shit scares me.  I&#039;ve worked in the fitness industry most of my career and I work hard to keep myself in better shape than probably 95% of the population.  However, I come from genetically large people and, with the extra muscle I carry around, I am overweight to nearly obese according to standard height and weight charts (that haven&#039;t been adjusted in what, 70 years?).

Some would say &quot;but Spiro, they are only taxing the &#039;bad&#039; foods, why should you care?&quot;  My answer is - what makes you think they&#039;ll stop there?  Especially when, just like smoking, the extra tax does nothing to deter the practice.

Moreover, why aren&#039;t there more historians and well-educated people coming out in outrage against this type of legislation.  Am I the only one that sees this as a BIG step toward the government controlling our personal appearance?  I mean, it&#039;s not quite eugenics, but....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse my French, but this shit scares me.  I&#8217;ve worked in the fitness industry most of my career and I work hard to keep myself in better shape than probably 95% of the population.  However, I come from genetically large people and, with the extra muscle I carry around, I am overweight to nearly obese according to standard height and weight charts (that haven&#8217;t been adjusted in what, 70 years?).</p>
<p>Some would say &#8220;but Spiro, they are only taxing the &#8216;bad&#8217; foods, why should you care?&#8221;  My answer is &#8211; what makes you think they&#8217;ll stop there?  Especially when, just like smoking, the extra tax does nothing to deter the practice.</p>
<p>Moreover, why aren&#8217;t there more historians and well-educated people coming out in outrage against this type of legislation.  Am I the only one that sees this as a BIG step toward the government controlling our personal appearance?  I mean, it&#8217;s not quite eugenics, but&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to know 2 ratios. Democrat to Republican food stamp users. And percent overweight food stamp users to non food stamp users. I&#039;m betting that taxes on &quot;fattening&quot; foods would lead to cries to increase food stamp allotments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know 2 ratios. Democrat to Republican food stamp users. And percent overweight food stamp users to non food stamp users. I&#8217;m betting that taxes on &#8220;fattening&#8221; foods would lead to cries to increase food stamp allotments.</p>
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