Comments on: Drug War: Fail

By: Michael

Michael — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:58:42 +0000

I have seen some studies that indicate that most mammals self medicate. With people, it can be more than just drugs; runner’s high, sex, gambling. The war against drugs could be a battle against nature.

By: Evil Red Scandi

Evil Red Scandi — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:54:06 +0000

The law of supply and demand clearly states that the Drug War is Epic Fail (I suppose that’s grammatically correct in the current vernacular). It’s easy to prove. My wife and I haven’t popped out any kids yet, we’re into electronic music, and so we spend quite a bit of time in the ‘club scene,’ and are good friends with many people there. We see more drug use than you can shake a stick at. We’ve lost friends to crystal meth, we’ve had other friends who are strictly “weekend users,” and everything in between (if you’re wondering: we stick to good old-fashioned booze). Anyway, if a person were to go to a nice club and get nice and “happy” on good vodka, that will set them back $25 to $75. The equivalent “high time” with Ecstasy will cost $10 – $20. Cocaine will set you back about $60. These two drugs can be had almost instantly in any nightclub you can find. So it’s either significantly cheaper or about the same price to get high on something smuggled half-way around the world as it is to get drunk on perfectly legal booze. If the drug war was making any sort of dent at all this would certainly not be the case.

But here’s the thing: the people who are really into getting trashed on drugs are the ones that would eat rat poison if they thought it would give them a buzz. They’re going to get intoxicated on something. Stopping the flow of drugs does little or nothing to help these people.

By: Ian Random

Ian Random — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:52:46 +0000

I’m waiting for the safe legal high of electrodes directly wired to the pleasure center of the brain like in RINGWORLD.

By: Michael

Michael — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:14:36 +0000

nom de guerre is right about the police. National Geographic did an hour show on marijuana. They covered a smoke shop in Canada and medical research in Israel. While the Israeli research was impressive, and the Canadians were paying there bills running the smoke shop, the scary part of the show was with the DEA. An agent said “America needs to stop thinking this is a war. My job is to get up, find someone with drugs and put them in jail. This will never end.”

By: frankania

frankania — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:38:48 +0000

Have you heard about the vicious thugs that murder each other in the cartel battles? Yes, the tobacco gangs are trying to get everyone hooked. The Liquor Cartel regularly assasinates its competitors. Oh wait, I meant the illegal-drug cartels; what’s the difference? The LACK of prohibition of tobacco and liquor?
Gosh, I wonder what the violence solution is.

By: nom de guerre

nom de guerre — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:21:43 +0000

and, should a miracle occur and drugs are somehow decriminalized, how do we get the cops to disarm?

you think they’ll voluntarily give up their APC’s, and their full-auto machine guns, and all the cool ninja toys? i don’t. we’d better do something quick, though: based on (increasingly numerous) reports of our brave security forces bravely shooting puppies; and tasing grandmaws; and killing innocents in no-knock raids, i’d say the cops are already out of control. imagine how they’ll be in 10 years. or 20. (see the front page of today’s WSJ for a hint of things to come.)

By: K

Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:02:28 +0000

The War On Dugs won’t work unless the borders are secure. It must become very hard to get loads of drugs into the country.

Unless we have control of the immigrations, mostly from the South, we aren’t going to get anywhere with the drug smuggling either.

And I haven’t even mentioned the growing ease of making drugs chemically in labs within the US.

Today, in our largest cities we have only poor ideas how many illegal immigrants are there, who they are, and exactly how they live. So why expect us to know how to control drug dealing there?

And drug dealing is hardly a monopoly of the illegals or urban populations. Plenty of Americans are in the industry too, off the books, and operating from urban to rural areas.

The necessary order must be: effectively stop easy entry to the country; effectively stop domestic growers; then go after the domestic labs. That would strangle the individual dealers.

But we aren’t going to do it anyway. Law enforcement gets many billions annually for being ineffective. And it would even cost more to be effective. They won’t get the money or the leadership.

So forget the present lip service and try something else.

By: morganovich

morganovich — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:13:17 +0000

i would add a couple of other factors:

if drugs were legal, quality would go up. the difference between pharmaceutical grade and “street” grade is dramatic. this would improve safety and cut down on poisonings etc. and their attendant medical costs.

but more important, legalizing drugs would make it harder, no easier, for “the children” to get them. in high school, it’s dramatically easier to get drugs than alcohol. so kids chose drugs. it was like that when i was in school and i see no indication that it has changed. legalizing them all and putting a 21 year old age requirement on them would do more to keep teens off drugs than any other plausible scenario. why are there no black market beer dealers preying on kids? because the profit margin sucks. it is only there illegality that makes drug selling profitable. sell them like liquor, and that’s gone.

By: nom de guerre

nom de guerre — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:45:20 +0000

oh, it stopped being about “drugs” a long time ago. now, it’s all about
1) maintenance and expansion of police powers and budgets and militarization
2) ruining people’s lives (largely) on the basis of their race
3) “helping” those ruined people in exchange for their votes
4) control of the unruly populace: any problem citizen can be ‘disappeared’ simply by planting a little powder on him; in his car; in his home; etc.
aaaaaand 5) (if you chose to believe a cynical old ‘miami vice’ episode) helping latin america keep making the interest payments on their foreign-aid debt by maintaining huge margins on their export crops. so long as those interest payments are made, the loans on the books are still “good”. the balance sheet looks pretty; the CEO keeps his job; stock options for all!

as i understand it, no drug was illegal before 1913/1914. not a one. (well, ok, maybe absinthe.)(and possibly opium.) you could buy heroin or cocaine at the corner drugstore. how’d the country survive before drug laws came in to existence? and not only survive, but *thrive*?

By: Me

Me — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:03:44 +0000

Spot on!

Interestingly, this is the second article today that merits linking to a story about how a completely fabricated story led to the arrest and substantial impact on the life of folks caught in what we so euphemistically call the ‘justice system’:

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31345639/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/