Comments on: Absolutely Inevitable http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/04/absolutely-inevitable.html Dispatches from a Small Business Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:04:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: SB http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/04/absolutely-inevitable.html/comment-page-1#comment-18491 SB Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:31:54 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=7690#comment-18491 Why move solar panels from Arizona? Just install new ones and leave the old ones where they are. I am fed up with seeing foriegn nationals calling us the great Satan wearing a rolex paid for by by my gasoline purchases. If my tax dollars can be used to end dependance on foreign oil I will starve myself to see it suceed!! Monies spent on new technologies don't deprive the old established technologies untill the new are suceeding. In this case the old tech's are the Saudi's and Iranians and I would love to see them wither under the new technology of renewable energy. The most sucessful new technologies will likely be paired with current distribution companies. So American and European companies continue to profit at the expense of those who hate us. Why move solar panels from Arizona?
Just install new ones and leave the old ones where they are.
I am fed up with seeing foriegn nationals calling us the great Satan wearing a rolex paid for by by my gasoline purchases. If my tax dollars can be used to end dependance on foreign oil I will starve myself to see it suceed!!
Monies spent on new technologies don’t deprive the old established technologies untill the new are suceeding.
In this case the old tech’s are the Saudi’s and Iranians and I would love to see them wither under the new technology of renewable energy.
The most sucessful new technologies will likely be paired with current distribution companies. So American and European companies continue to profit at the expense of those who hate us.

]]> By: tomw http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/04/absolutely-inevitable.html/comment-page-1#comment-18416 tomw Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:58:42 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=7690#comment-18416 Quote:"...someone said that “publicly funded sports stadiums generate no new economic activity and are just a taxpayer subsidy of sports owners, players, and ticket holders” and getting the response that “how can this be when people still go to the games?” Nope. The response would have been "...how can this be when so many local governments are perfectly willing to tax their subjects to build these moneylosers?" Isn't that what subsidy of solar, wind, biomass, etc are? Government decision to tax their subjects because "they know what is best for us", though we have yet to see them run anything more complex than a lemonade stand. And make a profit. tom yeah, I am cynical. I am so tired of the KnowNothings deciding MY [you guys too, but I can't be mad for you..] future. Quote:”…someone said that “publicly funded sports stadiums generate no new economic activity and are just a taxpayer subsidy of sports owners, players, and ticket holders” and getting the response that “how can this be when people still go to the games?”

Nope.

The response would have been “…how can this be when so many local governments are perfectly willing to tax their subjects to build these moneylosers?”

Isn’t that what subsidy of solar, wind, biomass, etc are? Government decision to tax their subjects because “they know what is best for us”, though we have yet to see them run anything more complex than a lemonade stand. And make a profit.

tom
yeah, I am cynical. I am so tired of the KnowNothings deciding MY [you guys too, but I can't be mad for you..] future.

]]> By: rxc http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/04/absolutely-inevitable.html/comment-page-1#comment-18383 rxc Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:58:35 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=7690#comment-18383 The purpose of the "renewable energy" movement is NOT to produce more energy. It is really intended to produce LESS energy, in such as way as to give control over the distribution of that energy to the dominant political class. The new "smart grid" fad is intended to install equipment in each house and business that responds to an external signal that controls whether the equipment in that house operates or not. When the grid controllers want to shed load, they send out a signal and the equipment they want to drop, turns itself off. I just recently heard an explanation on NPR from a proponent, and she came perilously close to explaining the ultimate phase of this project. In response to a question she said that people would initially be given financial incentives to participate in the "smart grid", but once there were a majority of customers hooked up, financial incentives would no longer be needed. The clear implication is that when enough are hooked up, the rest can be ordered to do so, and then the grid controllers can get to work with a vengence. Now think about it - when energy supplies need to be allocated, because the supply system was not designed to meet any demand that could reasonably be place on it, if a region that is not politically "correct" happens to need more energy, they will just be prevented from doing stuff that is not accepted by the grid controllers. At the lowest level, with IPv6, each device in your home could have its own address that is known by the grid controllers, and they could target(i.e., turn off) individual devices in any person's house. This is REAL control. And it is headed our way. The purpose of the “renewable energy” movement is NOT to produce more energy. It is really intended to produce LESS energy, in such as way as to give control over the distribution of that energy to the dominant political class. The new “smart grid” fad is intended to install equipment in each house and business that responds to an external signal that controls whether the equipment in that house operates or not. When the grid controllers want to shed load, they send out a signal and the equipment they want to drop, turns itself off.

I just recently heard an explanation on NPR from a proponent, and she came perilously close to explaining the ultimate phase of this project. In response to a question she said that people would initially be given financial incentives to participate in the “smart grid”, but once there were a majority of customers hooked up, financial incentives would no longer be needed. The clear implication is that when enough are hooked up, the rest can be ordered to do so, and then the grid controllers can get to work with a vengence.

Now think about it – when energy supplies need to be allocated, because the supply system was not designed to meet any demand that could reasonably be place on it, if a region that is not politically “correct” happens to need more energy, they will just be prevented from doing stuff that is not accepted by the grid controllers. At the lowest level, with IPv6, each device in your home could have its own address that is known by the grid controllers, and they could target(i.e., turn off) individual devices in any person’s house. This is REAL control. And it is headed our way.

]]> By: DrTorch http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/04/absolutely-inevitable.html/comment-page-1#comment-18379 DrTorch Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:06:30 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=7690#comment-18379 Allen, Brilliant point! Talking about solar panels...why!? Solar thermal seems to be far more efficient, and cost effective. Why are we (as a country) being so sold on photovoltaics (which are always just a decade away) when solar thermal is here and now, and working? Allen,
Brilliant point!

Talking about solar panels…why!? Solar thermal seems to be far more efficient, and cost effective. Why are we (as a country) being so sold on photovoltaics (which are always just a decade away) when solar thermal is here and now, and working?

]]> By: Allen http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/04/absolutely-inevitable.html/comment-page-1#comment-18377 Allen Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:23:29 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=7690#comment-18377 So according to what Mr. Gibbs is saying we're replacing our dependence on foreigners for energy with dependence on foreigners for energy? So according to what Mr. Gibbs is saying we’re replacing our dependence on foreigners for energy with dependence on foreigners for energy?

]]> By: EscapedWestOfTheBigMuddy http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/04/absolutely-inevitable.html/comment-page-1#comment-18371 EscapedWestOfTheBigMuddy Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:59:47 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=7690#comment-18371 "So why is it so difficult to understand that when the government moves capital and other resources away from the industries where the forces of market optimization have put it, output is going to go down." Rhetorical question, I guess. But, I've encountered several different answers. Mostly they don't believe that the market optimizes the use of resources or they feel that the market is optimizing on the wrong metric. The rest of your story is a poster child for the latter case: the damn fool market is optimizing on power-per-unit-dollar, when they feel it *should* be optimizing on "greenness". That, of course, constitutes a market "failure", and necessitates governmental intervention. See, it all makes sense. “So why is it so difficult to understand that when the government moves capital and other resources away from the industries where the forces of market optimization have put it, output is going to go down.”

Rhetorical question, I guess. But, I’ve encountered several different answers. Mostly they don’t believe that the market optimizes the use of resources or they feel that the market is optimizing on the wrong metric.

The rest of your story is a poster child for the latter case: the damn fool market is optimizing on power-per-unit-dollar, when they feel it *should* be optimizing on “greenness”.

That, of course, constitutes a market “failure”, and necessitates governmental intervention.

See, it all makes sense.

]]> By: J.M. Skillman http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/04/absolutely-inevitable.html/comment-page-1#comment-18367 J.M. Skillman Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:04:17 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=7690#comment-18367 Read: How to Win Every Argument, The Use and Abuse of Logic by Madsen Pirie to combat illogical jibberish arguments. Read: How to Win Every Argument, The Use and Abuse of Logic by Madsen Pirie to combat illogical jibberish arguments.

]]> By: Sandman http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/04/absolutely-inevitable.html/comment-page-1#comment-18364 Sandman Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:06:15 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=7690#comment-18364 I also like this one: "to meet renewable energy demand here". There is energy demand here, but there is certainly no 'renewable energy demand'. Another use of words to make this sound like a market problem as opposed to a government mandate. I also like this one: “to meet renewable energy demand here”. There is energy demand here, but there is certainly no ‘renewable energy demand’. Another use of words to make this sound like a market problem as opposed to a government mandate.

]]> By: Ed Fargler http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/04/absolutely-inevitable.html/comment-page-1#comment-18362 Ed Fargler Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:08:54 +0000 http://www.coyoteblog.com/?p=7690#comment-18362 MR. GIBBS: It seems weird that we’re importing wind turbine parts from Spain in order to build — to meet renewable energy demand here if that were even remotely the case. Mr. Gibbs is truly stupid. Spanish companies will certainly build and export as many turbine parts as we would like to buy. I'm sure if we desired to buy sand instead of oil from Saudi Arabia, the kingdom would be happy to oblige. MR. GIBBS: It seems weird that we’re importing wind turbine parts from Spain in order to build — to meet renewable energy demand here if that were even remotely the case.

Mr. Gibbs is truly stupid. Spanish companies will certainly build and export as many turbine parts as we would like to buy. I’m sure if we desired to buy sand instead of oil from Saudi Arabia, the kingdom would be happy to oblige.

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