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		<title>By: HS</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2009/04/76-vote-to-live-off-the-other-24.html/comment-page-1#comment-18360</link>
		<dc:creator>HS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument is the bible verse does not apply because we feel taxes is taking rather than giving.  It was just a rebuttle since we all need to give to our country to make it work.  So, for this, I will be using &quot;give&quot; instead of &quot;pay&quot; to make my point.

My point is the bible verse does play an important perspective. As a united country, we should be giving equal taxes.  What is equal?  Because I am wealthy, does giving 15% taxes vs someone who makes half and giving 15% equal?  Or is it equal when I, the wealthy, give 50k in taxes vs that same person giving 50k in taxes?

Should we have a seperate tax code for different tax brackets?  You can call them seperate already.  Is that equal?  I guess we can call that &quot;seperate but equal&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument is the bible verse does not apply because we feel taxes is taking rather than giving.  It was just a rebuttle since we all need to give to our country to make it work.  So, for this, I will be using &#8220;give&#8221; instead of &#8220;pay&#8221; to make my point.</p>
<p>My point is the bible verse does play an important perspective. As a united country, we should be giving equal taxes.  What is equal?  Because I am wealthy, does giving 15% taxes vs someone who makes half and giving 15% equal?  Or is it equal when I, the wealthy, give 50k in taxes vs that same person giving 50k in taxes?</p>
<p>Should we have a seperate tax code for different tax brackets?  You can call them seperate already.  Is that equal?  I guess we can call that &#8220;seperate but equal&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In my experience most of the people who oppose high taxes are those people on average incomes who resent the transfer of wealth from themselves to people who donâ€™t appear to have worked as hard. Having defended their own income from moochers they then sympathise with others on higher income.&quot;

It&#039;s not just that.  I oppose high (and even moderate) taxes and have an average income.  My major reasons are:

a)  When I was 22-24, I probably had a very high income (especially if you adjust it for regional cost of living; I live in a very low cost area) compared to other 22-24 year olds.  Was I unfairly lucky?  Was I another cog in the oppressive hetero-Caucasian patriarchy?  No, I just majored in something that had high starting salary prospects.  So if I majored in something that many people pass on because it&#039;s &quot;too hard&quot; or &quot;needed too much math&quot;, and I reaped the benefits (or, more accurately, approximately 70% of the benefits) of it, what right do I have to say that other people (i.e. people more wealthy than I) owe me something?  Somebody could have said the same thing about me when I was in my early 20&#039;s.

b)  (this is the bigger factor in my mind)  I can&#039;t remember the last job offered to me by a poor person.  If I think the government should take more from the wealthy, I am hurting myself, because those people and those companies could be the next ones to offer me a job and help me advance my career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In my experience most of the people who oppose high taxes are those people on average incomes who resent the transfer of wealth from themselves to people who donâ€™t appear to have worked as hard. Having defended their own income from moochers they then sympathise with others on higher income.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just that.  I oppose high (and even moderate) taxes and have an average income.  My major reasons are:</p>
<p>a)  When I was 22-24, I probably had a very high income (especially if you adjust it for regional cost of living; I live in a very low cost area) compared to other 22-24 year olds.  Was I unfairly lucky?  Was I another cog in the oppressive hetero-Caucasian patriarchy?  No, I just majored in something that had high starting salary prospects.  So if I majored in something that many people pass on because it&#8217;s &#8220;too hard&#8221; or &#8220;needed too much math&#8221;, and I reaped the benefits (or, more accurately, approximately 70% of the benefits) of it, what right do I have to say that other people (i.e. people more wealthy than I) owe me something?  Somebody could have said the same thing about me when I was in my early 20&#8242;s.</p>
<p>b)  (this is the bigger factor in my mind)  I can&#8217;t remember the last job offered to me by a poor person.  If I think the government should take more from the wealthy, I am hurting myself, because those people and those companies could be the next ones to offer me a job and help me advance my career.</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a person is ambitious enough to work hard and earn 250k a year I do not think it is right that I come in and say, &quot;Here, give me some of that&quot;.  If I were in the position of having to fork over whar I worked for to someone who chose to not work as hard, I would work less just to prevent the government from taking from me.  The government takes enough of what I have already.  But, read Agenda 21 which has been in the works since 1992, and which the current administration is taking more steps to actualize, towards global socilization.  It is the &quot;blueprint&quot; to &quot;equalize&quot; the world order.  Wake up America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a person is ambitious enough to work hard and earn 250k a year I do not think it is right that I come in and say, &#8220;Here, give me some of that&#8221;.  If I were in the position of having to fork over whar I worked for to someone who chose to not work as hard, I would work less just to prevent the government from taking from me.  The government takes enough of what I have already.  But, read Agenda 21 which has been in the works since 1992, and which the current administration is taking more steps to actualize, towards global socilization.  It is the &#8220;blueprint&#8221; to &#8220;equalize&#8221; the world order.  Wake up America.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HS,

You have a serious problem with logic.  Your parents and your unproductive neighbour who guzzles bear all day instead of working are not the same.  How do you not get that?  Do you owe it to your neighbour to work a full day, taking time away from your kids and leisure activities, so that your neighbour can be kept at your expense?

&lt;i&gt;Whether its time or money, whether its voluntary or forced, taxes are essential.&lt;/i&gt;

Nobody is claiming that we shouldn&#039;t pay taxes.  If you tried to understand what others wrote and the bible verse you quoted, it would help you very much indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HS,</p>
<p>You have a serious problem with logic.  Your parents and your unproductive neighbour who guzzles bear all day instead of working are not the same.  How do you not get that?  Do you owe it to your neighbour to work a full day, taking time away from your kids and leisure activities, so that your neighbour can be kept at your expense?</p>
<p><i>Whether its time or money, whether its voluntary or forced, taxes are essential.</i></p>
<p>Nobody is claiming that we shouldn&#8217;t pay taxes.  If you tried to understand what others wrote and the bible verse you quoted, it would help you very much indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HS: A less detailed cycle than Tylers is illustrated in a Poussin painting. You you might find it interesting.


&quot;A Dance To The Music Of Time&quot; by Poussin. Anthony Powell wrote a series of novels of the same name.  I have the BBC series on DVD, about five hours, and rate it perhaps B+.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HS: A less detailed cycle than Tylers is illustrated in a Poussin painting. You you might find it interesting.</p>
<p>&#8220;A Dance To The Music Of Time&#8221; by Poussin. Anthony Powell wrote a series of novels of the same name.  I have the BBC series on DVD, about five hours, and rate it perhaps B+.</p>
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		<title>By: HS</title>
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		<dc:creator>HS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The average age of the world&#039;s great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.&quot;  Sir Alex Fraser Tyler

Maybe democracy is doomed but it is only from the inside that it can be undone as predicted.  When we turn contribution to forced contribution (giving vs taking) to preserve our future, the end of something is near.  How do we prevent another cycle in the life and times of a nation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The average age of the world&#8217;s great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.&#8221;  Sir Alex Fraser Tyler</p>
<p>Maybe democracy is doomed but it is only from the inside that it can be undone as predicted.  When we turn contribution to forced contribution (giving vs taking) to preserve our future, the end of something is near.  How do we prevent another cycle in the life and times of a nation?</p>
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		<title>By: HS</title>
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		<dc:creator>HS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should we be grateful for our parents giving us life and providing for us?  Should we be thankful for them protecting us as we cannot defend ourselves?

Yet, in their age, they are unproductive and defenseless.  Should we be obligated to return the favor?  If we are expected to, do they resent us for our youth?

From a different perspective, should we contribute to help run this country?  
Should we voluntarily contribute as in Mark 12:41-44 (new) or should there be forced contribution as in Exodus?

Whether its time or money, whether its voluntary or forced, taxes are essential.  If I crap in the water that I drink from to get ahead, shame on me, but I should still be thankful for the life it brings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should we be grateful for our parents giving us life and providing for us?  Should we be thankful for them protecting us as we cannot defend ourselves?</p>
<p>Yet, in their age, they are unproductive and defenseless.  Should we be obligated to return the favor?  If we are expected to, do they resent us for our youth?</p>
<p>From a different perspective, should we contribute to help run this country?<br />
Should we voluntarily contribute as in Mark 12:41-44 (new) or should there be forced contribution as in Exodus?</p>
<p>Whether its time or money, whether its voluntary or forced, taxes are essential.  If I crap in the water that I drink from to get ahead, shame on me, but I should still be thankful for the life it brings.</p>
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		<title>By: FantasySpringsCasinoIndio</title>
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		<dc:creator>FantasySpringsCasinoIndio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting topic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting topic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Prof Frink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prof Frink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;imagine how hard it would be to get ahead if everyone was similarly productive&quot;

There is little to be gained in being &quot;ahead&quot; of the mediocre. If everyone was similarly productive, the world would be a much richer place, including you and me, whether or not we were &quot;ahead&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;imagine how hard it would be to get ahead if everyone was similarly productive&#8221;</p>
<p>There is little to be gained in being &#8220;ahead&#8221; of the mediocre. If everyone was similarly productive, the world would be a much richer place, including you and me, whether or not we were &#8220;ahead&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: loki on the run</title>
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		<dc:creator>loki on the run</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HS said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Who provides you those opportunities? I know it is not the government but the people. Not that I condone giving the government money to spend since they are so bad with it, but equality in taxes depends on the perspective.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Should fish be grateful to the water for providing their sustaining life force? Should birds give thanks to the air?

Should the lion give thanks to the wildebeast?

What of those early humans? Should those lineages that could not speak as well as others have taxed the more verbally agile?

It is abundantly clear that we will always be burdened by the unproductive, for which the productive should perhaps give thanks (imagine how hard it would be to get ahead if everyone was similarly productive), it is also clear that the unproductive will resent the abilities of the productive and will be readily exploitable by the political classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HS said:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Who provides you those opportunities? I know it is not the government but the people. Not that I condone giving the government money to spend since they are so bad with it, but equality in taxes depends on the perspective.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Should fish be grateful to the water for providing their sustaining life force? Should birds give thanks to the air?</p>
<p>Should the lion give thanks to the wildebeast?</p>
<p>What of those early humans? Should those lineages that could not speak as well as others have taxed the more verbally agile?</p>
<p>It is abundantly clear that we will always be burdened by the unproductive, for which the productive should perhaps give thanks (imagine how hard it would be to get ahead if everyone was similarly productive), it is also clear that the unproductive will resent the abilities of the productive and will be readily exploitable by the political classes.</p>
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