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		<title>By: lineup32</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anyone who buys a home and does not pay cash owns the mortgage while the bank owns the house which is collateral for the loan.  Most homeowners are actually mortgage owners rather then homeowners but popular media tends to blur this fact.  Less then 30% of homes are mortgage free so the vast majority of Americans are in fact mortgage owners.  &lt;br /&gt;
Your description of them as long is in fact correct but they have not bought any CDS to hedge their investment so its a risky bet with luck and timing playing large roles.  Credit creation during the past 30 years and its reliance on excessive leverage the past ten years  has been the largest factor asset price increase including single family homes.  With credit&#039;s recent decline in  availability, assets are quickly declining in value world wide as the liquidity that drove up asset prices have dried up. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who buys a home and does not pay cash owns the mortgage while the bank owns the house which is collateral for the loan.  Most homeowners are actually mortgage owners rather then homeowners but popular media tends to blur this fact.  Less then 30% of homes are mortgage free so the vast majority of Americans are in fact mortgage owners.  <br />
Your description of them as long is in fact correct but they have not bought any CDS to hedge their investment so its a risky bet with luck and timing playing large roles.  Credit creation during the past 30 years and its reliance on excessive leverage the past ten years  has been the largest factor asset price increase including single family homes.  With credit&#8217;s recent decline in  availability, assets are quickly declining in value world wide as the liquidity that drove up asset prices have dried up. </p>
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		<title>By: HS</title>
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		<dc:creator>HS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Btw, yes you are right... Timothy 6:10&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People want and chase money, not what it represents.  To me this is coveting money.  When people want something for nothing (no work, no production, nothing of value added) that is greed.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, yes you are right&#8230; Timothy 6:10</p>
<p>&#8220;For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.&#8221;</p>
<p>People want and chase money, not what it represents.  To me this is coveting money.  When people want something for nothing (no work, no production, nothing of value added) that is greed.</p>
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		<title>By: HS</title>
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		<dc:creator>HS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Money was only created to facilitate trade or bartering.  I produce something, you produce something, we trade.  The greed is when the value of that facility (money) overshadows the underline (production).  Since greed is one of the seven deadly sins, it must be evil.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On other notes...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People talk about a house as being an investment.  To me, investments make income houses do not, unless you rent it out (where as capital gains is just a bet).  I think a house is more of a liability, there is no way to avoid the property tax.  For this reason, you don&#039;t really own your home, the government does since they can slap a lien aginst it even though its paid off.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money was only created to facilitate trade or bartering.  I produce something, you produce something, we trade.  The greed is when the value of that facility (money) overshadows the underline (production).  Since greed is one of the seven deadly sins, it must be evil.</p>
<p>On other notes&#8230;</p>
<p>People talk about a house as being an investment.  To me, investments make income houses do not, unless you rent it out (where as capital gains is just a bet).  I think a house is more of a liability, there is no way to avoid the property tax.  For this reason, you don&#8217;t really own your home, the government does since they can slap a lien aginst it even though its paid off.</p>
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		<title>By: GU</title>
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		<dc:creator>GU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mike, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Osama bin Laden comes from an extremely wealthy Saudi family.  I am pretty sure he has leveraged his family ties to make lots of money over the course of his life (even if he must live a more ascetic life now).  I&#039;m not disagreeing with your &quot;money is not the root of all evil&quot; argument, just saying that OBL was a bad example of someone with &quot;no money.&quot;  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, </p>
<p>Osama bin Laden comes from an extremely wealthy Saudi family.  I am pretty sure he has leveraged his family ties to make lots of money over the course of his life (even if he must live a more ascetic life now).  I&#8217;m not disagreeing with your &#8220;money is not the root of all evil&#8221; argument, just saying that OBL was a bad example of someone with &#8220;no money.&#8221;  </p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Those that criticize Coyote for trying to make home ownership analogous to fuel expenses don&#039;t see the point Coyote is trying to make.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I read a comment: &quot;The two are different because one can customize their abode&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But that goes beyond the scope of the analogy. However, I could argue that I can do as I wish with the fuel I purchase. I can go on a camping trip. I can travel to New York City. I can put it in a boat, and go fishing. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While you may not own a home for the equity, many people do. I remember when I bought my house, my boss asked me if I was going to turn around and sell it for a profit. I of course had to explain to him that doing so would be illogical. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If my house increased in value by 100%, it&#039;s a good bet that every other house has also increased by ~100%. Chasing a new home every year would be foolish. However, I can buy other properties, and use them as rentals to long term financial security. At a future time, I can sell them for a profit, and retire more comfortably and keep my home.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, I don&#039;t believe that money is the root of all evil. Consider the following:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Who commits more violent crime? Those that have a lot of money, or those that have very little? How many rich gang bangers are there out there?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I believe that there are evil people, money is a tool for them to do more evil things. I don&#039;t think money make Saddam Hussein evil, I believe he was evil from the start.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Osama bin Laden has no money, yet he seems to be quite evil.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those that criticize Coyote for trying to make home ownership analogous to fuel expenses don&#8217;t see the point Coyote is trying to make.</p>
<p>I read a comment: &#8220;The two are different because one can customize their abode&#8221;.</p>
<p>But that goes beyond the scope of the analogy. However, I could argue that I can do as I wish with the fuel I purchase. I can go on a camping trip. I can travel to New York City. I can put it in a boat, and go fishing. </p>
<p>While you may not own a home for the equity, many people do. I remember when I bought my house, my boss asked me if I was going to turn around and sell it for a profit. I of course had to explain to him that doing so would be illogical. </p>
<p>If my house increased in value by 100%, it&#8217;s a good bet that every other house has also increased by ~100%. Chasing a new home every year would be foolish. However, I can buy other properties, and use them as rentals to long term financial security. At a future time, I can sell them for a profit, and retire more comfortably and keep my home.</p>
<p>Of course, I don&#8217;t believe that money is the root of all evil. Consider the following:</p>
<p>Who commits more violent crime? Those that have a lot of money, or those that have very little? How many rich gang bangers are there out there?</p>
<p>I believe that there are evil people, money is a tool for them to do more evil things. I don&#8217;t think money make Saddam Hussein evil, I believe he was evil from the start.</p>
<p>Osama bin Laden has no money, yet he seems to be quite evil.</p>
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		<title>By: Noumenon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s a good point about the tax treatment, Joe.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: LowcountryJoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>LowcountryJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;What a coincidence -- Tim Harford just wrote an article at Slate saying it would be much more prudent for young people to buy stock on margin for their retirement, the same way they take out mortgages while young.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That would make sense if one could leverage a stock as much as one could leverage a house and if houses did not have the same taxable treatments [write off the interest on your mortgage if it puts you over the standard deduction; avoid capital gains -- to a certain amount -- and if your home qualifies] as they do now.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What a coincidence &#8212; Tim Harford just wrote an article at Slate saying it would be much more prudent for young people to buy stock on margin for their retirement, the same way they take out mortgages while young.</i></p>
<p>That would make sense if one could leverage a stock as much as one could leverage a house and if houses did not have the same taxable treatments [write off the interest on your mortgage if it puts you over the standard deduction; avoid capital gains -- to a certain amount -- and if your home qualifies] as they do now.</p>
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		<title>By: LowcountryJoe</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I think you are thinking about economically about something that&#039;s partially outside the field of economics.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is this even possible?  In my opinion, Economics can explain almost anything.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think you are thinking about economically about something that&#8217;s partially outside the field of economics.</i></p>
<p>Is this even possible?  In my opinion, Economics can explain almost anything.</p>
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		<title>By: sd</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I remember going on a finance course and the economics guy was from UK and he said he had sold his house to some institution and rented it back from them, and put all the money in deutchmarks (this was pre-Euro in late 1980s or early 1990s). I believe he even had an option to buy his house back at some ridiculous seeming lower price like 25% less than he had sold it for. This seemed weird to me at the time, since I don&#039;t think most people think of their houses as a true tradable investment. Anyway, London prices fell by about 30% in the next few years, the pound fell out of the EMU and this guy should have made a fortune and ended up with his house back as well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But generally with houses you don&#039;t get the same choice to buy or lease, like you do with a car. The houses for rent and the ones for sale are different, plus there is a very different feeling about upkeep on your own house (&quot;investment&quot;) versus a landlord&#039;s (&quot;money down the drain&quot;) which leads to much better housing in ownership areas (compare public housing anywhere in the world to equivalent type of private estates/tracts).&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember going on a finance course and the economics guy was from UK and he said he had sold his house to some institution and rented it back from them, and put all the money in deutchmarks (this was pre-Euro in late 1980s or early 1990s). I believe he even had an option to buy his house back at some ridiculous seeming lower price like 25% less than he had sold it for. This seemed weird to me at the time, since I don&#8217;t think most people think of their houses as a true tradable investment. Anyway, London prices fell by about 30% in the next few years, the pound fell out of the EMU and this guy should have made a fortune and ended up with his house back as well.</p>
<p>But generally with houses you don&#8217;t get the same choice to buy or lease, like you do with a car. The houses for rent and the ones for sale are different, plus there is a very different feeling about upkeep on your own house (&#8220;investment&#8221;) versus a landlord&#8217;s (&#8220;money down the drain&#8221;) which leads to much better housing in ownership areas (compare public housing anywhere in the world to equivalent type of private estates/tracts).</p>
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