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		<title>By: Stuhlmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuhlmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m an American living in Germany with a German wife, and I&#039;ve been following the above discussions with interest.  Many German (like my wife) are not inclined to move away from where they grew up.  On the other hand, lots of Germans buy vacation/retirement homes in places like Italy, Spain, or even Florida.  A popular German TV reality show features German families relocating to some other part of the world (Australia, Spain, Texas, etc), and trying to start a new life and career there.  Clearly there is an interest in moving to other areas, even if the moving is done vicariously.  I have a pet theory that all the Germans who were genetically inclined to leave their homes and families did so over the last few hundred years.  The remaining Germans are inclined to stay put.  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an American living in Germany with a German wife, and I&#8217;ve been following the above discussions with interest.  Many German (like my wife) are not inclined to move away from where they grew up.  On the other hand, lots of Germans buy vacation/retirement homes in places like Italy, Spain, or even Florida.  A popular German TV reality show features German families relocating to some other part of the world (Australia, Spain, Texas, etc), and trying to start a new life and career there.  Clearly there is an interest in moving to other areas, even if the moving is done vicariously.  I have a pet theory that all the Germans who were genetically inclined to leave their homes and families did so over the last few hundred years.  The remaining Germans are inclined to stay put.  </p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks to google translate, I can spread the delicious irony&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bt.dk%2Farticle%2F20081029%2Fnyheder%2F81029033%2F&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(The Danish Prime Ministers son, the leader of the happiest nation on earth, wants to become an American citizen)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to google translate, I can spread the delicious irony</p>
<p><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bt.dk%2Farticle%2F20081029%2Fnyheder%2F81029033%2F&#038;hl=en&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;sl=auto&#038;tl=en" rel="nofollow">http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bt.dk%2Farticle%2F20081029%2Fnyheder%2F81029033%2F&#038;hl=en&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;sl=auto&#038;tl=en</a></p>
<p>(The Danish Prime Ministers son, the leader of the happiest nation on earth, wants to become an American citizen)</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Miklos,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If they weren&#039;t connected, there wouldn&#039;t be 300K people escaping France to Britain alone.  Sarkozy had to campaign in London to reach them!  As Hammer points out, family attachments vary and they vary all over the world.  I think some of what you&#039;re seeing is family attachment and some of the immobility comes from sheer lack of economic opportunity.  In Russia we had city passports and government assigned housing.  Everyone lived and died in the same communal apartment.  When the practice was abandoned after the fall of communism, people began moving from areas with relatively less economic growth to places with more - leaving behind kin, friends, and ancestral homelands&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miklos,</p>
<p>If they weren&#8217;t connected, there wouldn&#8217;t be 300K people escaping France to Britain alone.  Sarkozy had to campaign in London to reach them!  As Hammer points out, family attachments vary and they vary all over the world.  I think some of what you&#8217;re seeing is family attachment and some of the immobility comes from sheer lack of economic opportunity.  In Russia we had city passports and government assigned housing.  Everyone lived and died in the same communal apartment.  When the practice was abandoned after the fall of communism, people began moving from areas with relatively less economic growth to places with more &#8211; leaving behind kin, friends, and ancestral homelands</p>
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		<title>By: Miklos Hollender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miklos Hollender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, to each his own, I guess.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The point I want to make clear - the European attachment to kin and hometown has very little to do with the economic model. There are a lot of people - at least a lot of bloggers - who would gladly import a good amount of Reaganomics. Does Vaclav Klaus ring a bell? Sadly he is an exception, not the rule, but this approach nevertheless exists. These two things aren&#039;t quite connected. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to each his own, I guess.</p>
<p>The point I want to make clear &#8211; the European attachment to kin and hometown has very little to do with the economic model. There are a lot of people &#8211; at least a lot of bloggers &#8211; who would gladly import a good amount of Reaganomics. Does Vaclav Klaus ring a bell? Sadly he is an exception, not the rule, but this approach nevertheless exists. These two things aren&#8217;t quite connected. </p>
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		<title>By: Hammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Miklos,&lt;br /&gt;
Not to belabor the point, but Americans usually define themselves by themselves, not by virtue of other people. Some families are worth a great deal more than others after all. Mine is quite nice, but I have friends who would do themselves a great favor by moving far from those that share their genes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yoshi,&lt;br /&gt;
I know for a fact that many sorts of crime are either glossed over, or not really considered &quot;criminal&quot; in Asia. My wife is from Hong Kong, and the stories she can tell of the busses and subways would make you store your daughters in a steel drum before allowing them out of the house.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miklos,<br />
Not to belabor the point, but Americans usually define themselves by themselves, not by virtue of other people. Some families are worth a great deal more than others after all. Mine is quite nice, but I have friends who would do themselves a great favor by moving far from those that share their genes.</p>
<p>Yoshi,<br />
I know for a fact that many sorts of crime are either glossed over, or not really considered &#8220;criminal&#8221; in Asia. My wife is from Hong Kong, and the stories she can tell of the busses and subways would make you store your daughters in a steel drum before allowing them out of the house.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Miklos,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We are a nation of immigrants!  Moving away from kin is natural to Americans.  Besides, moving away from people doesn&#039;t mean you don&#039;t see them and they aren&#039;t a part of your life.  It just means that your mother-in-law is too far away to meddle!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miklos,</p>
<p>We are a nation of immigrants!  Moving away from kin is natural to Americans.  Besides, moving away from people doesn&#8217;t mean you don&#8217;t see them and they aren&#8217;t a part of your life.  It just means that your mother-in-law is too far away to meddle!</p>
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		<title>By: Sol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Miklos, I think you aren&#039;t accounting for the fact that once moving becomes fairly common, staying put for friends and family isn&#039;t such an issue, because odds are they are moving as well.  All of my close friends from high school live in other states now.   Most of my new close friends from college were from out-of-state anyway.  My parents still live in our ancestral town, but I have no other living relatives there that I would recognize as relatives, as my sister moved away after college, just as my uncle did a generation before, and his uncles did the generation before that.  I live two hours away from there now, and I&#039;d love to move back some day.  But if I do, I&#039;ll be moving away from more friends (the ones I&#039;ve made here in the last decade or so) than I will be moving back to, if you know what I mean.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Miklos, I think you aren&#8217;t accounting for the fact that once moving becomes fairly common, staying put for friends and family isn&#8217;t such an issue, because odds are they are moving as well.  All of my close friends from high school live in other states now.   Most of my new close friends from college were from out-of-state anyway.  My parents still live in our ancestral town, but I have no other living relatives there that I would recognize as relatives, as my sister moved away after college, just as my uncle did a generation before, and his uncles did the generation before that.  I live two hours away from there now, and I&#8217;d love to move back some day.  But if I do, I&#8217;ll be moving away from more friends (the ones I&#8217;ve made here in the last decade or so) than I will be moving back to, if you know what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Methinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;When I share my experiences in school with most Europeans they usually make some snide remark about how growing up in a battle zone (primary school) has caused the Iraq war.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s only because they&#039;re bitter that they got themselves into two giant wars in the twentieth century that they couldn&#039;t finish without America.  Bet they never mention their brutal colonial empires, eh?  And what&#039;s so good about destroying individuality?  Seems like a high price to pay for fewer cliques.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Don&#039;t forget that it&#039;s illegal to price goods below cost, advertising sales in your shop is illegal and in some parts of Euroweenieland (I used to live there, I earned the privilege to be childish) it&#039;s illegal to even have a sales except for government mandated sales for all stores at certain times of the year.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When I share my experiences in school with most Europeans they usually make some snide remark about how growing up in a battle zone (primary school) has caused the Iraq war.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s only because they&#8217;re bitter that they got themselves into two giant wars in the twentieth century that they couldn&#8217;t finish without America.  Bet they never mention their brutal colonial empires, eh?  And what&#8217;s so good about destroying individuality?  Seems like a high price to pay for fewer cliques.</p>
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Don&#8217;t forget that it&#8217;s illegal to price goods below cost, advertising sales in your shop is illegal and in some parts of Euroweenieland (I used to live there, I earned the privilege to be childish) it&#8217;s illegal to even have a sales except for government mandated sales for all stores at certain times of the year.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Miklos Hollender: For one, I think most of America shares Europe&#039;s distaste for moving away from their birthplace.  While America is probably far more mobile than anywhere else, many people end up staying close to &#039;home&#039; because of the very reasons you mention.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for your sentiment that &#039;kin is life&#039;, that is something some Americans do not share.  Many do, but many others are defined not by their family, but by their professions.  I think one of the reasons for this is the disgust Americans have for familial/inherited positions.  The thinking is, if you are defined by your family, you can never rise above that family, an organization you had no say in joining.  You can&#039;t change your family; but, you can change your job.  If you are defined by your job (which is not tied to your family) than you can rise and excel based on your merit and hard work, not based on whether your father was a janitor or a prince.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Miklos Hollender: For one, I think most of America shares Europe&#8217;s distaste for moving away from their birthplace.  While America is probably far more mobile than anywhere else, many people end up staying close to &#8216;home&#8217; because of the very reasons you mention.</p>
<p>As for your sentiment that &#8216;kin is life&#8217;, that is something some Americans do not share.  Many do, but many others are defined not by their family, but by their professions.  I think one of the reasons for this is the disgust Americans have for familial/inherited positions.  The thinking is, if you are defined by your family, you can never rise above that family, an organization you had no say in joining.  You can&#8217;t change your family; but, you can change your job.  If you are defined by your job (which is not tied to your family) than you can rise and excel based on your merit and hard work, not based on whether your father was a janitor or a prince.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ elambend:  Another problem with this mindset is that places like Silicon Valley simply don&#039;t happen.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@yoshidad: many issues (like crime) get glossed over in the politically correct, &quot;we&#039;re all the same&quot; mindset of today.  Some cultures have a much greater respect for the law than ours do, have less violent crime, etc.  Some of this stems from economic issues, but some exist just based on the history and structure of that society.  For this reason, it&#039;s far more difficult to compare nations on non-economic issues than it is on economic issues.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Legalized (or decriminalized) drugs is something we often hear about in the U.S., and Amsterdam is always referenced.  What is always overlooked though, is the demographic and societal makeup of the Netherlands.  It&#039;s not so much to say that decriminalized drugs won&#039;t work here, but you certainly can&#039;t say that it will work and hold up the Netherlands as proof.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ elambend:  Another problem with this mindset is that places like Silicon Valley simply don&#8217;t happen.  </p>
<p>@yoshidad: many issues (like crime) get glossed over in the politically correct, &#8220;we&#8217;re all the same&#8221; mindset of today.  Some cultures have a much greater respect for the law than ours do, have less violent crime, etc.  Some of this stems from economic issues, but some exist just based on the history and structure of that society.  For this reason, it&#8217;s far more difficult to compare nations on non-economic issues than it is on economic issues.  </p>
<p>Legalized (or decriminalized) drugs is something we often hear about in the U.S., and Amsterdam is always referenced.  What is always overlooked though, is the demographic and societal makeup of the Netherlands.  It&#8217;s not so much to say that decriminalized drugs won&#8217;t work here, but you certainly can&#8217;t say that it will work and hold up the Netherlands as proof.</p>
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