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		<title>By: Solar Lad</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/05/things-no-one-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-11265</link>
		<dc:creator>Solar Lad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 03:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;So yes, corn and the food that eats corn is cheap, but it has cost us obesity, [etc.]&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People are being FORCED to overeat ?????&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Rubbish.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I agree with your points about factory farming.  America can afford better.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So yes, corn and the food that eats corn is cheap, but it has cost us obesity, [etc.]&#8220;</p>
<p>People are being FORCED to overeat ?????</p>
<p>Rubbish.</p>
<p>But I agree with your points about factory farming.  America can afford better.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoshidad1</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/05/things-no-one-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-11264</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoshidad1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What&#039;s missing from the table is the chart of rising health costs. It&#039;s true food costs have trended downward, aided by agricultural subsidies amounting to 40% of farm income (Michael Pollan&#039;s &quot;Omnivore&#039;s Dilemma&quot; quotes one farmer saying &quot;we just launder the money for Cargill and ADM&quot;), and an increase in high-fructose corn syrup in our diets. But the quality of the calories has deterioriated.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Corn-fed beef, for example, would not be possible at current prices without the enormous subsidy, not only for the corn, but in forgiving the social costs. Feedlots are currently the largest consumers of antibiotics in the U.S., meaning not only that we eat a lot of very sick cows, but also that feedlots are breeding antibiotic-resistant super germs, and providing the motivation for (without paying) finding more and more antibiotics. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why are the cows so sick? Because they&#039;re designed to eat grass, not corn. Corn turns their naturally basic stomachs acidic, giving them ulcers and illness galore. The germs from ruminants basic stomachs that we&#039;d naturally resist are therefore being bred for an acid environment -- like our stomachs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The pork CAFOs (Confined Animal Feeding Operations) put out literally ten times the amount of animal waste that an equivalent number of humans do. Having 500,000 pigs in such a collection of CAFOs -- without treating their waste -- is a commonplace. Imagine New York City without treated sewage... If permitting that without charging for the social costs isn&#039;t a subsidy, I don&#039;t know what it is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So yes, corn and the food that eats corn is cheap, but it has cost us obesity, an epidemic of type II diabetes, and a host of other chronic illnesses. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s not be too cocksure this is a good thing, shall we?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s missing from the table is the chart of rising health costs. It&#8217;s true food costs have trended downward, aided by agricultural subsidies amounting to 40% of farm income (Michael Pollan&#8217;s &#8220;Omnivore&#8217;s Dilemma&#8221; quotes one farmer saying &#8220;we just launder the money for Cargill and ADM&#8221;), and an increase in high-fructose corn syrup in our diets. But the quality of the calories has deterioriated.</p>
<p>Corn-fed beef, for example, would not be possible at current prices without the enormous subsidy, not only for the corn, but in forgiving the social costs. Feedlots are currently the largest consumers of antibiotics in the U.S., meaning not only that we eat a lot of very sick cows, but also that feedlots are breeding antibiotic-resistant super germs, and providing the motivation for (without paying) finding more and more antibiotics. </p>
<p>Why are the cows so sick? Because they&#8217;re designed to eat grass, not corn. Corn turns their naturally basic stomachs acidic, giving them ulcers and illness galore. The germs from ruminants basic stomachs that we&#8217;d naturally resist are therefore being bred for an acid environment &#8212; like our stomachs.</p>
<p>The pork CAFOs (Confined Animal Feeding Operations) put out literally ten times the amount of animal waste that an equivalent number of humans do. Having 500,000 pigs in such a collection of CAFOs &#8212; without treating their waste &#8212; is a commonplace. Imagine New York City without treated sewage&#8230; If permitting that without charging for the social costs isn&#8217;t a subsidy, I don&#8217;t know what it is.</p>
<p>So yes, corn and the food that eats corn is cheap, but it has cost us obesity, an epidemic of type II diabetes, and a host of other chronic illnesses. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not be too cocksure this is a good thing, shall we?</p>
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		<title>By: Yoshidad1</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/05/things-no-one-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-11263</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoshidad1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What&#039;s missing from the table is the chart of rising health costs. It&#039;s true food costs have trended downward, aided by agricultural subsidies amounting to 40% of farm income (Michael Pollan&#039;s &quot;Omnivore&#039;s Dilemma&quot; quotes one farmer saying &quot;we just launder the money for Cargill and ADM&quot;), and an increase in high-fructose corn syrup in our diets. But the quality of the calories has deterioriated.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Corn-fed beef, for example, would not be possible at current prices without the enormous subsidy, not only for the corn, but in forgiving the social costs. Feedlots are currently the largest consumers of antibiotics in the U.S., meaning not only that we eat a lot of very sick cows, but also that feedlots are breeding antibiotic-resistant super germs, and providing the motivation for (without paying) finding more and more antibiotics. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why are the cows so sick? Because they&#039;re designed to eat grass, not corn. Corn turns their naturally basic stomachs acidic, giving them ulcers and illness galore. The germs from ruminants basic stomachs that we&#039;d naturally resist are therefore being bred for an acid environment -- like our stomachs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The pork CAFOs (Confined Animal Feeding Operations) put out literally ten times the amount of animal waste that an equivalent number of humans do. Having 500,000 pigs in such a collection of CAFOs -- without treating their waste -- is a commonplace. Imagine New York City without treated sewage... If permitting that without charging for the social costs isn&#039;t a subsidy, I don&#039;t know what it is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So yes, corn and the food that eats corn is cheap, but it has cost us obesity, an epidemic of type II diabetes, and a host of other chronic illnesses. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s not be too cocksure this is a good thing, shall we?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s missing from the table is the chart of rising health costs. It&#8217;s true food costs have trended downward, aided by agricultural subsidies amounting to 40% of farm income (Michael Pollan&#8217;s &#8220;Omnivore&#8217;s Dilemma&#8221; quotes one farmer saying &#8220;we just launder the money for Cargill and ADM&#8221;), and an increase in high-fructose corn syrup in our diets. But the quality of the calories has deterioriated.</p>
<p>Corn-fed beef, for example, would not be possible at current prices without the enormous subsidy, not only for the corn, but in forgiving the social costs. Feedlots are currently the largest consumers of antibiotics in the U.S., meaning not only that we eat a lot of very sick cows, but also that feedlots are breeding antibiotic-resistant super germs, and providing the motivation for (without paying) finding more and more antibiotics. </p>
<p>Why are the cows so sick? Because they&#8217;re designed to eat grass, not corn. Corn turns their naturally basic stomachs acidic, giving them ulcers and illness galore. The germs from ruminants basic stomachs that we&#8217;d naturally resist are therefore being bred for an acid environment &#8212; like our stomachs.</p>
<p>The pork CAFOs (Confined Animal Feeding Operations) put out literally ten times the amount of animal waste that an equivalent number of humans do. Having 500,000 pigs in such a collection of CAFOs &#8212; without treating their waste &#8212; is a commonplace. Imagine New York City without treated sewage&#8230; If permitting that without charging for the social costs isn&#8217;t a subsidy, I don&#8217;t know what it is.</p>
<p>So yes, corn and the food that eats corn is cheap, but it has cost us obesity, an epidemic of type II diabetes, and a host of other chronic illnesses. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not be too cocksure this is a good thing, shall we?</p>
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		<title>By: Katelyn Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katelyn Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It makes sense to me! I mean think about it. Back then people would complain about prices going up, thats what we are doing today too! Back then you would complain when gas hit .75 cents a gallon. Now we are complaining that its $4.00!! Its always going to seem exspensive. But we all make more money right now.&lt;br /&gt;
Think about it...it all makes sense.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes sense to me! I mean think about it. Back then people would complain about prices going up, thats what we are doing today too! Back then you would complain when gas hit .75 cents a gallon. Now we are complaining that its $4.00!! Its always going to seem exspensive. But we all make more money right now.<br />
Think about it&#8230;it all makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Katelyn Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katelyn Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It makes sense to me! I mean think about it. Back then people would complain about prices going up, thats what we are doing today too! Back then you would complain when gas hit .75 cents a gallon. Now we are complaining that its $4.00!! Its always going to seem exspensive. But we all make more money right now.&lt;br /&gt;
Think about it...it all makes sense.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes sense to me! I mean think about it. Back then people would complain about prices going up, thats what we are doing today too! Back then you would complain when gas hit .75 cents a gallon. Now we are complaining that its $4.00!! Its always going to seem exspensive. But we all make more money right now.<br />
Think about it&#8230;it all makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike G</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/05/things-no-one-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-11260</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The price of fuel is sucking the puchasing power out of the American people. Our dollar ain&#039;t worth chit, the political power in America has done it&#039;s best to alienate us. It&#039;s time for us to realize it before we are reduced to driving bicycles like the Chinese, and that would be fine, if you didn&#039;t have to drive half the day to get where you ought to be in RURAL America and where we feed you.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you cut Rural Agricultural America away from society We&#039;ll bust your ass as you drive out for food, we will know who you are assholes. You have no clue how to grow the chit that keeps your ass alive in your metro world.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Remember who feeds you and it and it ain&#039;t that worthless american dollar in you pocket,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You couldn&#039;t produce pig chit all you can can do is talk chit&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The price of fuel is sucking the puchasing power out of the American people. Our dollar ain&#8217;t worth chit, the political power in America has done it&#8217;s best to alienate us. It&#8217;s time for us to realize it before we are reduced to driving bicycles like the Chinese, and that would be fine, if you didn&#8217;t have to drive half the day to get where you ought to be in RURAL America and where we feed you.</p>
<p>If you cut Rural Agricultural America away from society We&#8217;ll bust your ass as you drive out for food, we will know who you are assholes. You have no clue how to grow the chit that keeps your ass alive in your metro world.  </p>
<p>Remember who feeds you and it and it ain&#8217;t that worthless american dollar in you pocket,</p>
<p>You couldn&#8217;t produce pig chit all you can can do is talk chit</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Snitch</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/05/things-no-one-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-11259</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Snitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 03:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I appreciate the thrust of the piece. However, food prices are unquestionably headed up. You can Google that too, if you like.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wish it were otherwise. Hey, show me I&#039;m wrong. Make my day.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the thrust of the piece. However, food prices are unquestionably headed up. You can Google that too, if you like.</p>
<p>I wish it were otherwise. Hey, show me I&#8217;m wrong. Make my day.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 19:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mark Perry has done the gasoline work for you:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2007/11/why-goldilocks-can-handle-3-gas.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Perry has done the gasoline work for you:</p>
<p><a href="http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2007/11/why-goldilocks-can-handle-3-gas.html" rel="nofollow">http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2007/11/why-goldilocks-can-handle-3-gas.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: epobirs</title>
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		<dc:creator>epobirs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It can be carried further. A large array of items we frequently look upon as essential to our daily lives were free of charge to our forebears, largely because they had yet to exist. Imagine trying to explain to somebody in 1929 the video rental store. Then try to explain why that business is in danger of collapse due to the growing alternatives. Trying to explain this modern interplay of businesses would be like an elaborate science fiction novel to somebody in 1929 who probably had yet to see a movie with voices and music rather than an accompanist playing organ in the theater.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then try to explain how the average citizen had become so accustommed to having multiple amusement sources close at hand that we regard them as a requirement of life. Can anyone born after 1985 in other than severe poverty imagine not having a small library of their favorite movies on video tape or disc? Yet, an old fogey like me in his early 40s still gets a tiny thrill from the idea of having all this at his beck and call.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be carried further. A large array of items we frequently look upon as essential to our daily lives were free of charge to our forebears, largely because they had yet to exist. Imagine trying to explain to somebody in 1929 the video rental store. Then try to explain why that business is in danger of collapse due to the growing alternatives. Trying to explain this modern interplay of businesses would be like an elaborate science fiction novel to somebody in 1929 who probably had yet to see a movie with voices and music rather than an accompanist playing organ in the theater.</p>
<p>Then try to explain how the average citizen had become so accustommed to having multiple amusement sources close at hand that we regard them as a requirement of life. Can anyone born after 1985 in other than severe poverty imagine not having a small library of their favorite movies on video tape or disc? Yet, an old fogey like me in his early 40s still gets a tiny thrill from the idea of having all this at his beck and call.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dewey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve now followed the links and actually looked at the data and accompanying notes.  To me, the decline in food expenditures as a share of disposable income since 1929 is even more amazing than I originally thought.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Based on what I&#039;ve read, and on what my parents have told me, one-third to one-half the pre-World War II households grew and hunted their own food - or at least a significant portion of what they consumed.  80 years ago rural folks across the South obtained most of their protein from the woods or rivers and from the barnyard.  Such foods would not have been included in the department of Agriculture&#039;s food expenditure statistics.  Very few households today butcher hogs, milk cows, and clean fish.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve now followed the links and actually looked at the data and accompanying notes.  To me, the decline in food expenditures as a share of disposable income since 1929 is even more amazing than I originally thought.  </p>
<p>Based on what I&#8217;ve read, and on what my parents have told me, one-third to one-half the pre-World War II households grew and hunted their own food &#8211; or at least a significant portion of what they consumed.  80 years ago rural folks across the South obtained most of their protein from the woods or rivers and from the barnyard.  Such foods would not have been included in the department of Agriculture&#8217;s food expenditure statistics.  Very few households today butcher hogs, milk cows, and clean fish.</p>
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