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		<title>By: BlacquesJacquesShellacques</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlacquesJacquesShellacques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 15:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Assuming, hopefully, that she&#039;s from Vancouver BC and not Vancouver Washington, I say excellent, the Canadian brain drain has reversed itself, and we are now exporting our fat headed lefties rather than importing American draft dodging, commie, ratbas...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well, enough said.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming, hopefully, that she&#8217;s from Vancouver BC and not Vancouver Washington, I say excellent, the Canadian brain drain has reversed itself, and we are now exporting our fat headed lefties rather than importing American draft dodging, commie, ratbas&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, enough said.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 11:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post Morganovich.&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve never thought about it like that before - the unintended consequences of the nanny state. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I find a correlation in wearing helmets at skate parks. People there do not wear a helmet to be safe, they wear one so that they can take more risk. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Another way to put it might be to call these &#039;risk enablers&#039;. When Gov&#039;t does it, we can call it a &#039;safety net&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Morganovich.<br />
I&#8217;ve never thought about it like that before &#8211; the unintended consequences of the nanny state. </p>
<p>I find a correlation in wearing helmets at skate parks. People there do not wear a helmet to be safe, they wear one so that they can take more risk. </p>
<p>Another way to put it might be to call these &#8216;risk enablers&#8217;. When Gov&#8217;t does it, we can call it a &#8216;safety net&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: mostly cajun</title>
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		<dc:creator>mostly cajun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Louisiana has had bicycle helmet laws in place for kids for several years now.  They are ignored in a wholesale fashion.  It&#039;s bad law.  It should be ignored.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For all the &quot;it&#039;s for the children&quot; sophistry in the legislature, they seem to forget that a bunch of ten-year-old kids are going to be reluctant to don helmets in the 90+ degree summers of the Gulf Coast.  One would expect, based on the legislative argument, that our hospitals would be overfull of scofflaw kids with head injuries from such reckless behavior, but such is not the case.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just as well legislate against climbing trees without harness, ascenders, pitons and a belaying line...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;the law is an ass...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;MC&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louisiana has had bicycle helmet laws in place for kids for several years now.  They are ignored in a wholesale fashion.  It&#8217;s bad law.  It should be ignored.</p>
<p>For all the &#8220;it&#8217;s for the children&#8221; sophistry in the legislature, they seem to forget that a bunch of ten-year-old kids are going to be reluctant to don helmets in the 90+ degree summers of the Gulf Coast.  One would expect, based on the legislative argument, that our hospitals would be overfull of scofflaw kids with head injuries from such reckless behavior, but such is not the case.</p>
<p>Just as well legislate against climbing trees without harness, ascenders, pitons and a belaying line&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;the law is an ass&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>MC</p>
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		<title>By: franco</title>
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		<dc:creator>franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Morganovich - Excellent post&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morganovich &#8211; Excellent post</p>
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		<title>By: morganovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>morganovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;it&#039;s a wonder she isn&#039;t suing the city for failing to inspect the ramp for safety...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;helmet laws have lots of unanticipated consequences.  while helmets almost certainly reduce the number of cycling fatalities, the result on overall injuries, perversely is to cause them to increase.  the same is true of air bags in cars.  fatalities drop, but accidents increase.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;the economics of this is straightforward if looked at from the correct angle: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;risk is a commodity.  people have a certain tolerance/preference for it.  if we do something to reduce the risk of an activity (add an air bag) this reduced the price of risk.  lower price yield increased demand, so we drive more or drive more quickly/aggressively.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;one of my econ professors in college had done a bunch of work on this &quot;airbags cause crashes&quot; phenomenon.  his advice was that if you wanted to slow drivers down, replace the air bag with a spear point.  now see if anyone will go over 20 mph...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;bike helmets have the same risk issues as airbags.    you will not reduce injury by requiring helmets.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;to reduce injury, you need to change risk preferences, not risk pricing.  that can only be done through education be it either the &quot;let&#039;s talk about this son&quot; version or the always memorable pavlovian &quot;ow, that hurt&quot; version.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;as deaths are cheap and medical care for serious injuries is not, a government seeking to minimize health care costs ought to ban helmets, not mandate them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;i wonder if any of them even comprehend this.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;there really ought to be a basic economic literacy test to hold public office.  (or at the very least a testing requirement with scores published)  &quot;no politician left behind&quot; has a nice ring to it...  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s a wonder she isn&#8217;t suing the city for failing to inspect the ramp for safety&#8230;</p>
<p>helmet laws have lots of unanticipated consequences.  while helmets almost certainly reduce the number of cycling fatalities, the result on overall injuries, perversely is to cause them to increase.  the same is true of air bags in cars.  fatalities drop, but accidents increase.</p>
<p>the economics of this is straightforward if looked at from the correct angle: </p>
<p>risk is a commodity.  people have a certain tolerance/preference for it.  if we do something to reduce the risk of an activity (add an air bag) this reduced the price of risk.  lower price yield increased demand, so we drive more or drive more quickly/aggressively.</p>
<p>one of my econ professors in college had done a bunch of work on this &#8220;airbags cause crashes&#8221; phenomenon.  his advice was that if you wanted to slow drivers down, replace the air bag with a spear point.  now see if anyone will go over 20 mph&#8230;</p>
<p>bike helmets have the same risk issues as airbags.    you will not reduce injury by requiring helmets.  </p>
<p>to reduce injury, you need to change risk preferences, not risk pricing.  that can only be done through education be it either the &#8220;let&#8217;s talk about this son&#8221; version or the always memorable pavlovian &#8220;ow, that hurt&#8221; version.  </p>
<p>as deaths are cheap and medical care for serious injuries is not, a government seeking to minimize health care costs ought to ban helmets, not mandate them.</p>
<p>i wonder if any of them even comprehend this.</p>
<p>there really ought to be a basic economic literacy test to hold public office.  (or at the very least a testing requirement with scores published)  &#8220;no politician left behind&#8221; has a nice ring to it&#8230;  </p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 03:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Even if going helmetless wasn&#039;t a basic human right, it turns out bicycle helmets may be detrimental to public health:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet#Are_helmets_harmful.3F_Undesirable_effects_of_helmet_use&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet#Are_helmets_harmful.3F_Undesirable_effects_of_helmet_use&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Scientific American&lt;/i&gt; even reported that &quot;Helmets attract cars to cyclists&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if going helmetless wasn&#8217;t a basic human right, it turns out bicycle helmets may be detrimental to public health:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet#Are_helmets_harmful.3F_Undesirable_effects_of_helmet_use" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet#Are_helmets_harmful.3F_Undesirable_effects_of_helmet_use</a></p>
<p><i>Scientific American</i> even reported that &#8220;Helmets attract cars to cyclists&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists</a></p>
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		<title>By: NASCAR Wife</title>
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		<dc:creator>NASCAR Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 23:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Did the kid have any head injuries?  No. Then I fail to see how a helmet would have prevented a broken arm or collar bone. When I was a kid, parents didn&#039;t buy their kids helmets.  Theytold them not to do anything stupid.  If you did something stupid you suffered the consequences. I fell off my bike and hit my head - once. I have a scar to this day. But after that, everytime I fell, the thought going through my mind was &quot;Keep your head up, keep your head up.&quot;  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Parents need to take some responsability and pay attention to what their kis are doing.  Don&#039;t expect the government to make up for your lack of interest in your childs well being.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the kid have any head injuries?  No. Then I fail to see how a helmet would have prevented a broken arm or collar bone. When I was a kid, parents didn&#8217;t buy their kids helmets.  Theytold them not to do anything stupid.  If you did something stupid you suffered the consequences. I fell off my bike and hit my head &#8211; once. I have a scar to this day. But after that, everytime I fell, the thought going through my mind was &#8220;Keep your head up, keep your head up.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Parents need to take some responsability and pay attention to what their kis are doing.  Don&#8217;t expect the government to make up for your lack of interest in your childs well being.</p>
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