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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Michael Crichton linked the two and other scares in his speeches.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/michael-crichton-on-ignorant-alarmism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michael Crichton on Ignorant Alarmism&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Crichton linked the two and other scares in his speeches.</p>
<p><a href="http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/michael-crichton-on-ignorant-alarmism/" rel="nofollow">Michael Crichton on Ignorant Alarmism</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Mercy Vetsel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Mercy Vetsel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This griping about Coke &amp; Pepsi is irrational and childish.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The two party system has nothing to do with the fact that most Americans are addicted to handouts and don&#039;t want the rest of us to have the freedom that the founders established.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sure both parties are way more statist than the 5% of us who are about as libertarian as the founding fathers, but that doesn&#039;t mean that there aren&#039;t serious differences between the parties.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When you actually look at voting records (rather than the leftist media), it&#039;s VERY clear that the libertarians are all Republican.  I should keep the following &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.republicanliberty.org/libdex/liberplots.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;graph&lt;/a&gt; on speed dial because it demonstrates so succinctly captures the difference between the parties.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.republicanliberty.org/libdex/liberplots.htm&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The upper right triangle is the libertarian triangle and there are NO Democrats there in any year and NO Republicans in the lower-left authoritarian corner.  Some years there is almost no overlap.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;80 years ago the Socialists figured out that blathering on about how far they were from the Pepsi and Coke parties wouldn&#039;t get them anywhere, so they cast their lots with the Dems.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, capital L Libertarians aren&#039;t as smart and so they&#039;ve spent the last 30 years kicking themselves in the arse.  The net effect of the Libertarian party and the related self-indulgent claim to be apart from the fray has moved this country to the left, that is away from personal and economic freedom.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-Mercy&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This griping about Coke &#038; Pepsi is irrational and childish.  </p>
<p>The two party system has nothing to do with the fact that most Americans are addicted to handouts and don&#8217;t want the rest of us to have the freedom that the founders established.</p>
<p>Sure both parties are way more statist than the 5% of us who are about as libertarian as the founding fathers, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that there aren&#8217;t serious differences between the parties.</p>
<p>When you actually look at voting records (rather than the leftist media), it&#8217;s VERY clear that the libertarians are all Republican.  I should keep the following <a href="http://www.republicanliberty.org/libdex/liberplots.htm" rel="nofollow">graph</a> on speed dial because it demonstrates so succinctly captures the difference between the parties.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.republicanliberty.org/libdex/liberplots.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.republicanliberty.org/libdex/liberplots.htm</a></p>
<p>The upper right triangle is the libertarian triangle and there are NO Democrats there in any year and NO Republicans in the lower-left authoritarian corner.  Some years there is almost no overlap.</p>
<p>80 years ago the Socialists figured out that blathering on about how far they were from the Pepsi and Coke parties wouldn&#8217;t get them anywhere, so they cast their lots with the Dems.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, capital L Libertarians aren&#8217;t as smart and so they&#8217;ve spent the last 30 years kicking themselves in the arse.  The net effect of the Libertarian party and the related self-indulgent claim to be apart from the fray has moved this country to the left, that is away from personal and economic freedom.</p>
<p>-Mercy</p>
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		<title>By: scraphoops</title>
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		<dc:creator>scraphoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Two stories about Y2K: 1. I work on the Air Force GPS program as a contractor.  One of the top software engineers on our program spent the holiday/new year in a shack in Oklahoma.  He wanted to be &quot;off the grid.&quot; I had a friend on the Y2K team and after all was said and done he told me they basically did nothing.  All they did was go through millions of lines of code and document any instance of a date being used.  They changed almost nothing.  Turns out this was because IBM had already told them the mainframe and its code was Y2K compliant; which leads to story 2.  2. What we really needed the money for was the GPS &quot;epoch.&quot; GPS time rolls over every 1024 weeks or about 19.5 years. There are also mini-epochs every 256 weeks, but that is a different story. If the GPS epoch and Y2K had not happened close to the same time (Sep 99 vs Y2K) I really believe the government would not have given us enough money to fix the epoch problem. Sorry that was so long.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two stories about Y2K: 1. I work on the Air Force GPS program as a contractor.  One of the top software engineers on our program spent the holiday/new year in a shack in Oklahoma.  He wanted to be &#8220;off the grid.&#8221; I had a friend on the Y2K team and after all was said and done he told me they basically did nothing.  All they did was go through millions of lines of code and document any instance of a date being used.  They changed almost nothing.  Turns out this was because IBM had already told them the mainframe and its code was Y2K compliant; which leads to story 2.  2. What we really needed the money for was the GPS &#8220;epoch.&#8221; GPS time rolls over every 1024 weeks or about 19.5 years. There are also mini-epochs every 256 weeks, but that is a different story. If the GPS epoch and Y2K had not happened close to the same time (Sep 99 vs Y2K) I really believe the government would not have given us enough money to fix the epoch problem. Sorry that was so long.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One more programmer here who worked on the Y2K project for a local utility company:  Rochester Electric &amp; Gas.  They&#039;d have been in some serious chaos if the remediation project hadn&#039;t taken place.  Yes, the hype was great (planes falling from the sky) but not all that exaggerated. &lt;a href=&quot;http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/25/2038217&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This story from 2007&lt;/a&gt; shows what lurking date software bugs can do. Just this once, I think we dodged a bullet by being proactive.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The global warming hysteria is something quite different. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more programmer here who worked on the Y2K project for a local utility company:  Rochester Electric &#038; Gas.  They&#8217;d have been in some serious chaos if the remediation project hadn&#8217;t taken place.  Yes, the hype was great (planes falling from the sky) but not all that exaggerated. <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/25/2038217" rel="nofollow">This story from 2007</a> shows what lurking date software bugs can do. Just this once, I think we dodged a bullet by being proactive.</p>
<p>The global warming hysteria is something quite different. </p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the really salient comment in the report was this solution to the problem, a solution which has very much not been implemented in GW:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;the Y2K failure suggests that, in situations where there is strong pressure to conform with a consensus arises, some form of institutionally sanctioned skepticism is necessary. The generic term for somone willing to argue against such a position is ‘devil&#039;s advocate’, and the history of this term reflects the fact that the canonisation process in the Catholic church is one which naturally generates enthusiastic support. The office of the Promotor Fidei, popularly referred to as the ‘Devil&#039;s Advocate’, was instituted to provide a skeptical check on such enthusiasm by collecting and presenting evidence against candidates for canonisation. In the criminal legal system, skepticism is institutionalized through rules that ensure legal representation, even for criminal defendants who are viewed by the community as ‘obviously guilty’.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you&#039;re interested in the truth, institutionalized skepticism is a key tool. If you&#039;re interested in promoting a particular world view or action, you&#039;re going to try and do away with as many skeptics as possible.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the really salient comment in the report was this solution to the problem, a solution which has very much not been implemented in GW:</p>
<p>&#8220;the Y2K failure suggests that, in situations where there is strong pressure to conform with a consensus arises, some form of institutionally sanctioned skepticism is necessary. The generic term for somone willing to argue against such a position is ‘devil&#8217;s advocate’, and the history of this term reflects the fact that the canonisation process in the Catholic church is one which naturally generates enthusiastic support. The office of the Promotor Fidei, popularly referred to as the ‘Devil&#8217;s Advocate’, was instituted to provide a skeptical check on such enthusiasm by collecting and presenting evidence against candidates for canonisation. In the criminal legal system, skepticism is institutionalized through rules that ensure legal representation, even for criminal defendants who are viewed by the community as ‘obviously guilty’.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested in the truth, institutionalized skepticism is a key tool. If you&#8217;re interested in promoting a particular world view or action, you&#8217;re going to try and do away with as many skeptics as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I have a strong sense GWB may dive into the climate fray quite soon.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;According to http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D902G26G1&amp;show_article=1, &quot;President Bush is giving a Rose Garden speech on Wednesday on climate change to lay out the way he thinks the U.S. can reduce greenhouse gas emissions.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Into the fray he dives, at the same time a Nobel Peace Prize recipient writes a letter (co-signed by other scientists) asking the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to admit that there is no observational evidence that CO2 is causing the earth to warm: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/04/14/nobel-prize-winning-peacekeeper-asks-un-admit-climate-change-errors&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have a strong sense GWB may dive into the climate fray quite soon.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D902G26G1&#038;show_article=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D902G26G1&#038;show_article=1</a>, &#8220;President Bush is giving a Rose Garden speech on Wednesday on climate change to lay out the way he thinks the U.S. can reduce greenhouse gas emissions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Into the fray he dives, at the same time a Nobel Peace Prize recipient writes a letter (co-signed by other scientists) asking the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to admit that there is no observational evidence that CO2 is causing the earth to warm: <a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/04/14/nobel-prize-winning-peacekeeper-asks-un-admit-climate-change-errors" rel="nofollow">http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/04/14/nobel-prize-winning-peacekeeper-asks-un-admit-climate-change-errors</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rick Caird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Caird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think it is such a bad example.  There was tremendous fear mongering and the average citizen was of the firm belief the apocalypse would occur at precisely midnight on 1/1/2000.  While there was a lot of technical work going on to mitigate the problem, no one was suggesting industries shut down, many lose their jobs, we all trade out cars for Y2K compliant ones, or that we invoke some massive government infrastructure to advise and consent to solutions to the problem.  In essence, Y2K understates the comparison with Global Warming.  Y2K ended up being managed quite well by the interested parties.  Somehow, I don&#039;t expect a similar result if the GW folks get their way. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Rick&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it is such a bad example.  There was tremendous fear mongering and the average citizen was of the firm belief the apocalypse would occur at precisely midnight on 1/1/2000.  While there was a lot of technical work going on to mitigate the problem, no one was suggesting industries shut down, many lose their jobs, we all trade out cars for Y2K compliant ones, or that we invoke some massive government infrastructure to advise and consent to solutions to the problem.  In essence, Y2K understates the comparison with Global Warming.  Y2K ended up being managed quite well by the interested parties.  Somehow, I don&#8217;t expect a similar result if the GW folks get their way. </p>
<p>Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ha! Jaycee beat me to it by 4 minutes!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jaycee is right that this is a bad example for AGW as well. Y2K was a quantifiable, well understood problem with a known solution, while GW is poorly understood, unquantifiable and has no known solution, it not even being clear that we need one. Hence for Y2K those involved quietly got on and fixed the problem while the press and politicians jumped up and down hysterically, whereas with AGW those involved jump up and down along with the press and politicians! &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Jaycee beat me to it by 4 minutes!</p>
<p>Jaycee is right that this is a bad example for AGW as well. Y2K was a quantifiable, well understood problem with a known solution, while GW is poorly understood, unquantifiable and has no known solution, it not even being clear that we need one. Hence for Y2K those involved quietly got on and fixed the problem while the press and politicians jumped up and down hysterically, whereas with AGW those involved jump up and down along with the press and politicians! </p>
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		<title>By: Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From a software development perspective, there was a genuine Y2K problem. I was working for a major software company at the time and we set up a task force to examine our software around 97 or so. We identified 1,000s of bugs and we had to work through them all and fix them. None of these bugs would have caused catastrophes but they could have caused a lot of inconvenience and expense for our customers.. Some sectors like banking were naturally more concerned than others. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Because the bug fixes were extensive, we only provided patches for the latest versions of our software packages forcing customers on older versions to bring forward their upgrades. This is one of the factors that led to the technology bubble: increased sales before 2000 followed by decreased sales in the subsequent few years. Bringing forward upgrades also lead to exaggerated figures for the cost the Y2K problem, where the entire cost of an upgrade was costed against Y2K, even thought the upgrade would have been paid for anyway in a couple of years. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a software development perspective, there was a genuine Y2K problem. I was working for a major software company at the time and we set up a task force to examine our software around 97 or so. We identified 1,000s of bugs and we had to work through them all and fix them. None of these bugs would have caused catastrophes but they could have caused a lot of inconvenience and expense for our customers.. Some sectors like banking were naturally more concerned than others. </p>
<p>Because the bug fixes were extensive, we only provided patches for the latest versions of our software packages forcing customers on older versions to bring forward their upgrades. This is one of the factors that led to the technology bubble: increased sales before 2000 followed by decreased sales in the subsequent few years. Bringing forward upgrades also lead to exaggerated figures for the cost the Y2K problem, where the entire cost of an upgrade was costed against Y2K, even thought the upgrade would have been paid for anyway in a couple of years. </p>
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		<title>By: jaycee</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaycee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Coyote,&lt;br /&gt;
not sure this is a good example for you, comparing climate change to Y2K IT work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I spent 2 years 1998-1999 working on information technology Y2K projects. In that time my teams found and fixed thousands of date related defects whose consequences would have ranged from minor through to critical failures. If we hadn&#039;t done that work critical systems such as billing would have failed and companies would probably have failed : these were enterprises totally reliant on functioning computer systems.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I know there was a lot of media hysteria about Y2K, but there was also a *lot* of maintenance and correction work being done in companies all over the planet. This is the real reason that there were no apocalyptic failures : companies either fixed their problems, or made contingency plans, or both. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the final 6 months before Dec 31, all normal maintenance and development projects at the company I was at then were stopped : all IT development and testing resources were applied to fixing date related problems.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, yes, there was a lot of media hysteria about Y2K, but the problem didn&#039;t go away by ignoring it or because the underlying problem didn&#039;t actually exist, it went away because a lot of hard work was done to rectify problems which really truly did exist.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cheers&lt;br /&gt;
Jaycee&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coyote,<br />
not sure this is a good example for you, comparing climate change to Y2K IT work.</p>
<p>I spent 2 years 1998-1999 working on information technology Y2K projects. In that time my teams found and fixed thousands of date related defects whose consequences would have ranged from minor through to critical failures. If we hadn&#8217;t done that work critical systems such as billing would have failed and companies would probably have failed : these were enterprises totally reliant on functioning computer systems.</p>
<p>I know there was a lot of media hysteria about Y2K, but there was also a *lot* of maintenance and correction work being done in companies all over the planet. This is the real reason that there were no apocalyptic failures : companies either fixed their problems, or made contingency plans, or both. </p>
<p>In the final 6 months before Dec 31, all normal maintenance and development projects at the company I was at then were stopped : all IT development and testing resources were applied to fixing date related problems.</p>
<p>So, yes, there was a lot of media hysteria about Y2K, but the problem didn&#8217;t go away by ignoring it or because the underlying problem didn&#8217;t actually exist, it went away because a lot of hard work was done to rectify problems which really truly did exist.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Jaycee</p>
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