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		<title>By: gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your point is well taken. Juries are making decisions based on emotions and non-factual information, or based upon who is getting sued, as if deep pockets have anything to do with right or wrong. http://www.choicearizona.com&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your point is well taken. Juries are making decisions based on emotions and non-factual information, or based upon who is getting sued, as if deep pockets have anything to do with right or wrong. <a href="http://www.choicearizona.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.choicearizona.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bad outcome insurance?  Who would be stupid enough to underwrite that? All you have to do is to take a look at how the insurance claims from hurricane damage are being handled by State governments to see that it will never work.  One of the biggest problems is that an &quot;assumed risk contract&quot; isn&#039;t worth the paper it is printed on.  What happens when that 45 year old patient can&#039;t afford the &quot;bad outcome insurance&quot;?  They won&#039;t be able to find a doctor.  I can understand this for cosmetic or an elective proceedure, but what about a necessary proceedure?  I can see the headlines on that one.  &quot;Man Dies from Heart Attack, Because He Couldn&#039;t Afford Insurance.&quot;, then his family sues both the Hospital and the Insurance Company.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad outcome insurance?  Who would be stupid enough to underwrite that? All you have to do is to take a look at how the insurance claims from hurricane damage are being handled by State governments to see that it will never work.  One of the biggest problems is that an &#8220;assumed risk contract&#8221; isn&#8217;t worth the paper it is printed on.  What happens when that 45 year old patient can&#8217;t afford the &#8220;bad outcome insurance&#8221;?  They won&#8217;t be able to find a doctor.  I can understand this for cosmetic or an elective proceedure, but what about a necessary proceedure?  I can see the headlines on that one.  &#8220;Man Dies from Heart Attack, Because He Couldn&#8217;t Afford Insurance.&#8221;, then his family sues both the Hospital and the Insurance Company.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The heart of the problem is that malpractice cases, and legal cases in general, are poorly decided. Loser pays doesn&#039;t address the problem, since the loser is often scientifically in the right. Many cases where nothing wrong was done are settled because of the expectation of a wrong outcome, should the case go to trial.  In theory legally imposed limits would not be necessary if the courts were fair. But how does the concept of fairness ever enter the discussion when, for example, one case of cerebral palsy &quot;wins&quot; one hundred million dollars, and another gets nothing? Leaving aside, for the moment the fact that nearly all cases of CP are known to be genetic and have nothing to do with the delivery. The reason that capping awards has traction among the doctors is that the prospect of unlimited damages attracts lawsuits when the plaintiff is sympathetic or the injury gruesome or both--regardless of fault. It represents the judgement that the doctor cannot get an even break from the court system.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree with Ted Olsen that contracting damages would be best, if the contracts were honored. Failing that, bad outcome insurance would be purchased by the patient, not the doctor. The patient would best know how much money will make them whole, and this would be resolved before the care was provided. This would allow underwriting to make the premium correspond to the risk. A policy against trisomy 21 in a 21 year old woman might cost $500 for a million dollars of coverage. A 45 year old might pay a hundred times that.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The heart of the problem is that malpractice cases, and legal cases in general, are poorly decided. Loser pays doesn&#8217;t address the problem, since the loser is often scientifically in the right. Many cases where nothing wrong was done are settled because of the expectation of a wrong outcome, should the case go to trial.  In theory legally imposed limits would not be necessary if the courts were fair. But how does the concept of fairness ever enter the discussion when, for example, one case of cerebral palsy &#8220;wins&#8221; one hundred million dollars, and another gets nothing? Leaving aside, for the moment the fact that nearly all cases of CP are known to be genetic and have nothing to do with the delivery. The reason that capping awards has traction among the doctors is that the prospect of unlimited damages attracts lawsuits when the plaintiff is sympathetic or the injury gruesome or both&#8211;regardless of fault. It represents the judgement that the doctor cannot get an even break from the court system.  </p>
<p>I agree with Ted Olsen that contracting damages would be best, if the contracts were honored. Failing that, bad outcome insurance would be purchased by the patient, not the doctor. The patient would best know how much money will make them whole, and this would be resolved before the care was provided. This would allow underwriting to make the premium correspond to the risk. A policy against trisomy 21 in a 21 year old woman might cost $500 for a million dollars of coverage. A 45 year old might pay a hundred times that.</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With respect to the sympathy of juries, tort reformers seem to always think that huge verdicts are the result of juror sympathy to the plaintiff (rather than good evidence of liability and damages).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In California, where Ritter&#039;s malpractice trial occurred, jurors are given jury instructions that sympathy for the plaintiff cannot be used as a basis of a verdict in the plaintiff&#039;s favor.  While it is true that jurors do not always adhere to jury instructions--many times to the detriment of plaintiffs--in my experience jurors do a very good and business-like job excluding sympathy from their decision making.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Seems like they did in this case, too.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  </p>
<p>With respect to the sympathy of juries, tort reformers seem to always think that huge verdicts are the result of juror sympathy to the plaintiff (rather than good evidence of liability and damages).</p>
<p>In California, where Ritter&#8217;s malpractice trial occurred, jurors are given jury instructions that sympathy for the plaintiff cannot be used as a basis of a verdict in the plaintiff&#8217;s favor.  While it is true that jurors do not always adhere to jury instructions&#8211;many times to the detriment of plaintiffs&#8211;in my experience jurors do a very good and business-like job excluding sympathy from their decision making.</p>
<p>Seems like they did in this case, too.</p>
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		<title>By: DAV</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Am I missing some sarcasm here? What would be the difference between &quot;malpractice&quot; insurance and &quot;bad outcome&quot; except in name? Changing the name won&#039;t fix anything anymore than changing the word &quot;cancer&quot; to &quot;unfortunate condition&quot; (unless of course you believe in the power of euphemisms). If the cost of the insurance is driven by the likelihood of payout, then &quot;bad outcome&quot; insurance would cost the same as &quot;malpractice.&quot; And wouldn&#039;t the doctor still be sued for malpractice anyway? I just can&#039;t see anyone having the chutzpah to sue doctor X for Y&#039;s bad luck and publicly saying so.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The real problems behind malpractice suits are: 1) a large number are baseless; 2) they drive up the cost of medical care and 3) they require juries to evaluate matters beyond normal expertise. The last point is likely the most critical. It&#039;s what causes the whole process to be whimsical.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I missing some sarcasm here? What would be the difference between &#8220;malpractice&#8221; insurance and &#8220;bad outcome&#8221; except in name? Changing the name won&#8217;t fix anything anymore than changing the word &#8220;cancer&#8221; to &#8220;unfortunate condition&#8221; (unless of course you believe in the power of euphemisms). If the cost of the insurance is driven by the likelihood of payout, then &#8220;bad outcome&#8221; insurance would cost the same as &#8220;malpractice.&#8221; And wouldn&#8217;t the doctor still be sued for malpractice anyway? I just can&#8217;t see anyone having the chutzpah to sue doctor X for Y&#8217;s bad luck and publicly saying so.</p>
<p>The real problems behind malpractice suits are: 1) a large number are baseless; 2) they drive up the cost of medical care and 3) they require juries to evaluate matters beyond normal expertise. The last point is likely the most critical. It&#8217;s what causes the whole process to be whimsical.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonewitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonewitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually most malpractice cases are initiated by a &quot;poor outcome&quot;. The individual that ties &quot;poor outcome&quot; and physician malpractice concept together is the plaintiff medical expert who states the poor outcome unequivacably is caused by practice below the standard of care. If the jury believes this expert than the poor outcome was caused by malpractice.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually most malpractice cases are initiated by a &#8220;poor outcome&#8221;. The individual that ties &#8220;poor outcome&#8221; and physician malpractice concept together is the plaintiff medical expert who states the poor outcome unequivacably is caused by practice below the standard of care. If the jury believes this expert than the poor outcome was caused by malpractice.</p>
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		<title>By: tsiroth</title>
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		<dc:creator>tsiroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have been a supporter of loser pays and various tort reforms.  However, I have come to the conclusion that judges may be the biggest problem with the legal system.  I am not talking about arguments over &quot;legislating from the bench&quot; or &quot;original intent&quot; or &quot;strict construction.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The judicial bias most endemic to our legal system is one _toward attorneys_.  This is only natural, given that nearly all judges _are_ attorneys.  Generally speaking, judges are too reluctant to dismiss suits, and far too unwilling to sanction attorneys.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Attorneys are explicitly trained as _advocates_ and usually have little or no training in epistemology.  They do not really know how to evaluate competing claims.  As jurists, we ask them to be impartial triers of fact, even though all of their training and legal experience requires the opposite of impartiality.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In other words, though it is not intuitive, I believe lawyers make lousy judges.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I know that in the real world it will never happen, but I think getting the lawyers out of the judiciary is the single most effective reform we could ever enact.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a supporter of loser pays and various tort reforms.  However, I have come to the conclusion that judges may be the biggest problem with the legal system.  I am not talking about arguments over &#8220;legislating from the bench&#8221; or &#8220;original intent&#8221; or &#8220;strict construction.&#8221;</p>
<p>The judicial bias most endemic to our legal system is one _toward attorneys_.  This is only natural, given that nearly all judges _are_ attorneys.  Generally speaking, judges are too reluctant to dismiss suits, and far too unwilling to sanction attorneys.  </p>
<p>Attorneys are explicitly trained as _advocates_ and usually have little or no training in epistemology.  They do not really know how to evaluate competing claims.  As jurists, we ask them to be impartial triers of fact, even though all of their training and legal experience requires the opposite of impartiality.  </p>
<p>In other words, though it is not intuitive, I believe lawyers make lousy judges.  </p>
<p>I know that in the real world it will never happen, but I think getting the lawyers out of the judiciary is the single most effective reform we could ever enact.</p>
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		<title>By: Bearster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bearster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;juggler: are you saying that &quot;justice&quot; is when the law can be redefined by any ad-hoc group of 12 people?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We need to move towards objective law, not towards total subjectivism and anarchy.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>juggler: are you saying that &#8220;justice&#8221; is when the law can be redefined by any ad-hoc group of 12 people?</p>
<p>We need to move towards objective law, not towards total subjectivism and anarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: happyjuggler0</title>
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		<dc:creator>happyjuggler0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Getting out of jury duty is quite easy withoutbeing unethical. Simply say you like the idea of jury nullification.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In fact, if everyone said that, then they&#039;d have to actually keep any potential jurors who believed in jury nullification. They otherwise would not be able to fill juries. Finally we could get justice instead of the law.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting out of jury duty is quite easy withoutbeing unethical. Simply say you like the idea of jury nullification.</p>
<p>In fact, if everyone said that, then they&#8217;d have to actually keep any potential jurors who believed in jury nullification. They otherwise would not be able to fill juries. Finally we could get justice instead of the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RR&lt;br /&gt;
I consider getting out of jury duty as another benefit of getting a college education.  I get the form in the mail, answer it and most of the time never hear from them again.  If I do get called I show up, answer some questions, including level of education and employment, as soon as I say Bachlor&#039;s Degree, Mechanical Engineer, I&#039;m told that my services are not required and &quot;have a nice day&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RR<br />
I consider getting out of jury duty as another benefit of getting a college education.  I get the form in the mail, answer it and most of the time never hear from them again.  If I do get called I show up, answer some questions, including level of education and employment, as soon as I say Bachlor&#8217;s Degree, Mechanical Engineer, I&#8217;m told that my services are not required and &#8220;have a nice day&#8221;.</p>
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