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		<title>By: Ray Sanford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Sanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 18:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One of our clients has a low-cost solution to using the E-Verify system.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Please visit http://www.altoe-verify.com&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of our clients has a low-cost solution to using the E-Verify system.</p>
<p>Please visit <a href="http://www.altoe-verify.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.altoe-verify.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, what do you know. BobG, someone whose livelihood depends entirely on enforcing an immoral law instead of doing something productive, says that repealing that immoral law is &quot;not an option.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what do you know. BobG, someone whose livelihood depends entirely on enforcing an immoral law instead of doing something productive, says that repealing that immoral law is &#8220;not an option.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BobG</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/02/update-on-e-ver.html/comment-page-1#comment-9971</link>
		<dc:creator>BobG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My company, Verify I-9 LLC at VerifyI9.com, is a Designated Agent of the E-Verify program. As such, I and my employees have taken the online tutorial and test.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In your first article, you grossly exaggerated the length and difficulty of the online experience. Because you made no effort to qualify your comments as exaggeration, I can only conclude that you intended to deceive your readers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is obvious that you have a bias against verification and probably immigration laws in general. And that&#039;s okay-- differences of opinion is what makes the world go &#039;round. But let&#039;s be intellectually honest about the E-Verify system. Take this from someone who uses the E-Verify program daily... it is incredibly easy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Because of your bias, you are apparently likewise unable to understand the nuances of the so-called &quot;discrimination&quot; inherent in, yet allegedly prohibited by the system.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;E-Verify recognizes that the employer is not a trained document analyst. It also recognizes that employment eligibility is a federally-imposed status. It has a bias toward the right to work and the overwhelming majority of individuals in this country who do legally hold that right. It therefore makes perfect sense for the employer to be required to hire pending authorization via E-Verify. Once authorization is denied, &quot;discrimination&quot; (through termination) is not only legal but required.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You are liable, however, if you have knowledge that a prospective employee is not authorized to work, yet you hire them anyway. If he comes to you and says, &quot;I&#039;m illegal!&quot; then you better not hire him! But if he presents documents representing anything other than obvious forgery, participation in E-Verify takes the liability for verification off of you and puts it squarely on the federal government.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In other words... like the tutorial and test, the verification process itself requires minimal mental acuity and just a modicum of common sense.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, it may bother you that you might be &quot;required&quot; to hire someone only to fire them less than two weeks later but if you have a better solution, let&#039;s hear it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And &quot;no immigration law at all&quot; is not an option.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My company, Verify I-9 LLC at VerifyI9.com, is a Designated Agent of the E-Verify program. As such, I and my employees have taken the online tutorial and test.</p>
<p>In your first article, you grossly exaggerated the length and difficulty of the online experience. Because you made no effort to qualify your comments as exaggeration, I can only conclude that you intended to deceive your readers.</p>
<p>It is obvious that you have a bias against verification and probably immigration laws in general. And that&#8217;s okay&#8211; differences of opinion is what makes the world go &#8217;round. But let&#8217;s be intellectually honest about the E-Verify system. Take this from someone who uses the E-Verify program daily&#8230; it is incredibly easy.</p>
<p>Because of your bias, you are apparently likewise unable to understand the nuances of the so-called &#8220;discrimination&#8221; inherent in, yet allegedly prohibited by the system.</p>
<p>E-Verify recognizes that the employer is not a trained document analyst. It also recognizes that employment eligibility is a federally-imposed status. It has a bias toward the right to work and the overwhelming majority of individuals in this country who do legally hold that right. It therefore makes perfect sense for the employer to be required to hire pending authorization via E-Verify. Once authorization is denied, &#8220;discrimination&#8221; (through termination) is not only legal but required.</p>
<p>You are liable, however, if you have knowledge that a prospective employee is not authorized to work, yet you hire them anyway. If he comes to you and says, &#8220;I&#8217;m illegal!&#8221; then you better not hire him! But if he presents documents representing anything other than obvious forgery, participation in E-Verify takes the liability for verification off of you and puts it squarely on the federal government.</p>
<p>In other words&#8230; like the tutorial and test, the verification process itself requires minimal mental acuity and just a modicum of common sense.</p>
<p>Now, it may bother you that you might be &#8220;required&#8221; to hire someone only to fire them less than two weeks later but if you have a better solution, let&#8217;s hear it.</p>
<p>And &#8220;no immigration law at all&#8221; is not an option.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Sheldon</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/02/update-on-e-ver.html/comment-page-1#comment-9970</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;jsalvati said:  I&#039;m curious about the &#039;substantial costs&#039; to an employer when hiring a new employee. Could you describe them?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve been out of the &quot;labor&quot; part of the business world for a very long time, but back in the day when we were estimating &quot;overhead&quot; for a project the rule of thumb was that every piece of paper handled cost $25.00 no matter the reason.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lots of jobs require a physical examination and maybe a drug test--the last time I paid for that myself (driving a truck a year or two ago) that cost about $125.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All of the people to whom the new-hire talks during the hiring process is on salary.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Training and indoctrination are done by people on-payroll who are _not_ doing &quot;productive work&quot; directly toward the bottom line.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Those are just the things that come quickly to mind.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jsalvati said:  I&#8217;m curious about the &#8216;substantial costs&#8217; to an employer when hiring a new employee. Could you describe them?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been out of the &#8220;labor&#8221; part of the business world for a very long time, but back in the day when we were estimating &#8220;overhead&#8221; for a project the rule of thumb was that every piece of paper handled cost $25.00 no matter the reason.</p>
<p>Lots of jobs require a physical examination and maybe a drug test&#8211;the last time I paid for that myself (driving a truck a year or two ago) that cost about $125.</p>
<p>All of the people to whom the new-hire talks during the hiring process is on salary.</p>
<p>Training and indoctrination are done by people on-payroll who are _not_ doing &#8220;productive work&#8221; directly toward the bottom line.</p>
<p>Those are just the things that come quickly to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: HTRN</title>
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		<dc:creator>HTRN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All I can say about this ridiculous situation is this:&lt;br /&gt;
Elephant: A mouse built to government standards.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say about this ridiculous situation is this:<br />
Elephant: A mouse built to government standards.</p>
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		<title>By: jsalvati</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/02/update-on-e-ver.html/comment-page-1#comment-9968</link>
		<dc:creator>jsalvati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m curious about the &#039;substantial costs&#039; to an employer when hiring a new employee. Could you describe them? I&#039;m young so, I haven&#039;t really had an opportunity to experience the labor market from the employer side.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious about the &#8216;substantial costs&#8217; to an employer when hiring a new employee. Could you describe them? I&#8217;m young so, I haven&#8217;t really had an opportunity to experience the labor market from the employer side.</p>
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		<title>By: Xmas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xmas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;In fact, rather than being liable day one for hiring an illegal immigrant, one could argue with this system that, as long as one is following the process, a business is covered for weeks of an illegal immigrant&#039;s work -- covered so well that it is arguably illegal to fire said illegal alien worker until the multi-week process plays itself out.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Tada!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Are you still required to pay someone their wages earned up to the point you fire them if they were working illegally?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In fact, rather than being liable day one for hiring an illegal immigrant, one could argue with this system that, as long as one is following the process, a business is covered for weeks of an illegal immigrant&#8217;s work &#8212; covered so well that it is arguably illegal to fire said illegal alien worker until the multi-week process plays itself out.<br />
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<p>Tada!</p>
<p>Are you still required to pay someone their wages earned up to the point you fire them if they were working illegally?</p>
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