Comments on: The Critical Flaw with Catastrophic Global Warming Theory http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html Dispatches from a Small Business Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:27:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: nobwainer http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html/comment-page-1#comment-9344 nobwainer Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:10:26 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html #comment-9344 <p>I like this tactic the alarmist's use....spend a heap now which may be a terrible waste or possibly pass on a dying world to your children. The science to cool the earth and scrub out the co2 if needed seems to already exist, probably costing much less than a carbon trading scheme. i have seen the mighty flaws in the science, i would rather wait and see and spend later.</p> I like this tactic the alarmist’s use….spend a heap now which may be a terrible waste or possibly pass on a dying world to your children. The science to cool the earth and scrub out the co2 if needed seems to already exist, probably costing much less than a carbon trading scheme. i have seen the mighty flaws in the science, i would rather wait and see and spend later.

]]> By: cookie http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html/comment-page-1#comment-9343 cookie Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:33:35 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html #comment-9343 <p>'I can see that the poor of the world who rely on melt-water for their crops will die when it stops flowing.'</p> <p>Don't worry, Oliver. The World isn't running out of poor people just yet for you to patronise. Why, there are 600 million more of them today than there was at the start of 2000. Just check out the population stats to settle your worrying heart. Oh, but, these people are all contributing to the population explosion crisis ... well, I am sure you can resolve these contradictory concerns to your own satisfaction. </p> <p>I am confident that Humanity won't die out just yet. We have survived predators, 'natural' climate changes and even the 'consensus' of socialism amongst our 'intellectual elite' (elite in their own minds, at least).</p> <p>Onwards and upwards!</p> ‘I can see that the poor of the world who rely on melt-water for their crops will die when it stops flowing.’

Don’t worry, Oliver. The World isn’t running out of poor people just yet for you to patronise. Why, there are 600 million more of them today than there was at the start of 2000. Just check out the population stats to settle your worrying heart. Oh, but, these people are all contributing to the population explosion crisis … well, I am sure you can resolve these contradictory concerns to your own satisfaction.

I am confident that Humanity won’t die out just yet. We have survived predators, ‘natural’ climate changes and even the ‘consensus’ of socialism amongst our ‘intellectual elite’ (elite in their own minds, at least).

Onwards and upwards!

]]> By: Oliver Postgate http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html/comment-page-1#comment-9342 Oliver Postgate Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:44:06 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html #comment-9342 <p>The Coyote can howl and wind himself into pseudoscientific knots to show us all that what is there isn't there after all. I can see the ice-caps retreating. I can see that snow no longer covers the mountains. I can see that the poor of the world who rely on melt-water for their crops will die when it stops flowing. I can see the desert moving across Africa. I can see the Amazon basin drying away. I can hear the fish moving northwards.<br /> There is one simple scientific truth that Coyote ignores. It is this: where there is even a possibility that the changes that are happening could lead to the ending of life on earth, (as they have before), there is no case for anything but worst-case thinking and action. If we take it and were wrong, we shall be alive. If we talk ourselves out of it and it happens, our children are dead dry meat. You decide. It is your world. I shall be long dead.</p> The Coyote can howl and wind himself into pseudoscientific knots to show us all that what is there isn’t there after all. I can see the ice-caps retreating. I can see that snow no longer covers the mountains. I can see that the poor of the world who rely on melt-water for their crops will die when it stops flowing. I can see the desert moving across Africa. I can see the Amazon basin drying away. I can hear the fish moving northwards.
There is one simple scientific truth that Coyote ignores. It is this: where there is even a possibility that the changes that are happening could lead to the ending of life on earth, (as they have before), there is no case for anything but worst-case thinking and action. If we take it and were wrong, we shall be alive. If we talk ourselves out of it and it happens, our children are dead dry meat. You decide. It is your world. I shall be long dead.

]]> By: markm http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html/comment-page-1#comment-9341 markm Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:00:52 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html #comment-9341 <p>Bearster: Satellite measurements take an average over the whole atmosphere. They are free from the urban heat island effect, and show some warming, but they only started in 1979 and it's quite clear that the late 1970's were unusually cold. IOW, any measurement series starting in the 70's could be just showing one part of a several-decade cycle, similar to looking at temperatures from February to August and seeing a warming trend... </p> <p>Over a longer term, records of rivers being frozen over, etc., clearly show a warming trend from the early to mid 1800's to the 1930's, but also clearly show the "Little Ice Age" where Europe and presumably all the mid to high latitude areas of the world cooled down for several centuries, and then started to recover in the 1800's. (AFAIK, Europe was the only part of the world where good enough records have been found for 1300-1800. Has anyone searched the Chinese records? OTOH, if the effect happened mainly at higher latitudes, China might have missed most of it. It should have affected Mongolia and Siberia, driving hungry barbarians into Chinese territory, but the Chinese have always had to beat back hungry barbarians, and I doubt they kept a good count of barbarian incidents that would show the effects...)</p> Bearster: Satellite measurements take an average over the whole atmosphere. They are free from the urban heat island effect, and show some warming, but they only started in 1979 and it’s quite clear that the late 1970’s were unusually cold. IOW, any measurement series starting in the 70’s could be just showing one part of a several-decade cycle, similar to looking at temperatures from February to August and seeing a warming trend…

Over a longer term, records of rivers being frozen over, etc., clearly show a warming trend from the early to mid 1800’s to the 1930’s, but also clearly show the “Little Ice Age” where Europe and presumably all the mid to high latitude areas of the world cooled down for several centuries, and then started to recover in the 1800’s. (AFAIK, Europe was the only part of the world where good enough records have been found for 1300-1800. Has anyone searched the Chinese records? OTOH, if the effect happened mainly at higher latitudes, China might have missed most of it. It should have affected Mongolia and Siberia, driving hungry barbarians into Chinese territory, but the Chinese have always had to beat back hungry barbarians, and I doubt they kept a good count of barbarian incidents that would show the effects…)

]]> By: AlgiL http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html/comment-page-1#comment-9340 AlgiL Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:11:07 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html #comment-9340 <p>For better understanding: What has been causing What; would it not have been prudent to review observed temperature data in more detail, e.g. differentiating between winter and summer, than it has been done in the section “The short view (100 years)”? It could draw a complete different picture on anthropogenic forcing, as it has been discussed by: http://www.arctic-warming.com . Another example is the four decade global cooling that started in winter 1939/40 with a ‘bang’, with extreme winter temperatures all over the Northern Hemisphere, but particularly the coldest winter in North-western Europe for more than 110 years, see: http://www.seaclimate.com . Not only IPCC’s, but also sceptic’s claims, as by Richard Lindzen, would get weight, if they clearly could explain the two major climatic shifts during the 20th Century, the sudden commencement of (1) Arctic warming in winter 1918/19, and (2) Global cooling in winter 1939/40. </p> For better understanding: What has been causing What; would it not have been prudent to review observed temperature data in more detail, e.g. differentiating between winter and summer, than it has been done in the section “The short view (100 years)”? It could draw a complete different picture on anthropogenic forcing, as it has been discussed by: http://www.arctic-warming.com . Another example is the four decade global cooling that started in winter 1939/40 with a ‘bang’, with extreme winter temperatures all over the Northern Hemisphere, but particularly the coldest winter in North-western Europe for more than 110 years, see: http://www.seaclimate.com . Not only IPCC’s, but also sceptic’s claims, as by Richard Lindzen, would get weight, if they clearly could explain the two major climatic shifts during the 20th Century, the sudden commencement of (1) Arctic warming in winter 1918/19, and (2) Global cooling in winter 1939/40.

]]> By: Rodrigo http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html/comment-page-1#comment-9339 Rodrigo Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:59:08 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html #comment-9339 <p>My only criticism for the video is that when it discusses the differences between the Northern and Southern hemisphere temperature rise, you don't factor in that the south has much more water and that might be slowing the temp rise.<br /> Still, killer video.</p> My only criticism for the video is that when it discusses the differences between the Northern and Southern hemisphere temperature rise, you don’t factor in that the south has much more water and that might be slowing the temp rise.
Still, killer video.

]]> By: Bearster http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html/comment-page-1#comment-9338 Bearster Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:31:32 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html #comment-9338 <p>Warren: not to mention the gross flaws in how temperature is measured. Urban warming around the temperature probes could account for 100% of the measured warming. Or it could be that urban warming is actually masking a small amount of cooling. We can't say because we have a small set of temperature probes (considering the size of the system we're trying to measure). And the data from many of these probes is suspect due to urban waming.</p> <p>Whatever it is that you'd call it when people make big conclusions from small, flawed data sets, it is not "science."</p> Warren: not to mention the gross flaws in how temperature is measured. Urban warming around the temperature probes could account for 100% of the measured warming. Or it could be that urban warming is actually masking a small amount of cooling. We can’t say because we have a small set of temperature probes (considering the size of the system we’re trying to measure). And the data from many of these probes is suspect due to urban waming.

Whatever it is that you’d call it when people make big conclusions from small, flawed data sets, it is not “science.”

]]> By: Jim Hart http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html/comment-page-1#comment-9337 Jim Hart Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:45:35 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2008/01/the-critical-fl.html #comment-9337 <p>I'm really glad you are on the planet. Could be a sappy thing to say, but my life is better for reading your works.<br /> </p> I’m really glad you are on the planet. Could be a sappy thing to say, but my life is better for reading your works.

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