Comments on: Bloggers are Tehwable http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html Dispatches from a Small Business Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:39:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: John Dewey http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html/comment-page-1#comment-8546 John Dewey Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:05:49 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html#comment-8546 <p>This is an excellent post, Mr. Meyer. Thank you! </p> <p>I often wish I could wake up and discover that McCain-Feingold was just a bad dream. I grew up believing that Freedom of Speech - illustrated so well by Norman Rockwell and displayed in all my elementary school classrooms - could never be taken from us.</p> <p>How could John McCain forget what he was protecting when he served his country and sacrificed years of his life?</p> This is an excellent post, Mr. Meyer. Thank you!

I often wish I could wake up and discover that McCain-Feingold was just a bad dream. I grew up believing that Freedom of Speech – illustrated so well by Norman Rockwell and displayed in all my elementary school classrooms – could never be taken from us.

How could John McCain forget what he was protecting when he served his country and sacrificed years of his life?

]]> By: John http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html/comment-page-1#comment-8545 John Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:52:52 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html#comment-8545 <p>I agree, but this discussion of "trained" journalists always leaves me a little astonished. I worked for a large national/international newspaper and broadcasting organization for several years (quite a few years ago) and, at least in that time and place, there didn't appear to be any "training". </p> <p>The reporters and producers I knew had a wide variety of educational backgrounds, trending heavily toward liberal arts degrees from small north eastern colleges but by no means limited to that. There were a few old veterans of the Edward R Murrow era who were extremely competent but the vast majority were young people of little experience. The idea that there is some "Academy of Journalism" or something these people have attended which the rest of us have not doesn't match my experience at all. ... and from a public policy standpoint that's as it should be. (Within a particular organization I think it's a different matter.)</p> I agree, but this discussion of “trained” journalists always leaves me a little astonished. I worked for a large national/international newspaper and broadcasting organization for several years (quite a few years ago) and, at least in that time and place, there didn’t appear to be any “training”.

The reporters and producers I knew had a wide variety of educational backgrounds, trending heavily toward liberal arts degrees from small north eastern colleges but by no means limited to that. There were a few old veterans of the Edward R Murrow era who were extremely competent but the vast majority were young people of little experience. The idea that there is some “Academy of Journalism” or something these people have attended which the rest of us have not doesn’t match my experience at all. … and from a public policy standpoint that’s as it should be. (Within a particular organization I think it’s a different matter.)

]]> By: Al Fin http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html/comment-page-1#comment-8544 Al Fin Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:46:20 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html#comment-8544 <p>The tragic thing about Stephen Smith is the absence of insight into his own absurdity. He is walking around with a huge "KICK ME" sign pasted onto his posterior and he does not even comprehend the position he puts himself (and other "professional journalists") in.</p> <p>Smith's credulous defense of the "guild of journalism" reminds me of the precarious state of the postmodern professoriate in academia. They have tenure, but . . . there is no there, there. </p> <p>How long can this house of cards stand up?</p> The tragic thing about Stephen Smith is the absence of insight into his own absurdity. He is walking around with a huge “KICK ME” sign pasted onto his posterior and he does not even comprehend the position he puts himself (and other “professional journalists”) in.

Smith’s credulous defense of the “guild of journalism” reminds me of the precarious state of the postmodern professoriate in academia. They have tenure, but . . . there is no there, there.

How long can this house of cards stand up?

]]> By: markm http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html/comment-page-1#comment-8543 markm Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:38:46 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html#comment-8543 <p>"a level of wrecklessness"</p> <p>One might think that someone who can't spell shouldn't be complaining about the unprofessionalism of others.</p> “a level of wrecklessness”

One might think that someone who can’t spell shouldn’t be complaining about the unprofessionalism of others.

]]> By: Bryan http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html/comment-page-1#comment-8542 Bryan Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:25:48 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html#comment-8542 <p>The funny thing is that stephen a smith is a joke. His "street style" is basically just him yelling, he is about as far from professional as possible. Not to mention that he practices the most damaging kind of speach these days, which is making absolutely everything into a racial issue. And why would he be so concerned? He's a sports reporter, it's not exactly crucial or important topics that are his realm. As my friend always says "stephen a smith on, radio off"</p> The funny thing is that stephen a smith is a joke. His “street style” is basically just him yelling, he is about as far from professional as possible. Not to mention that he practices the most damaging kind of speach these days, which is making absolutely everything into a racial issue. And why would he be so concerned? He’s a sports reporter, it’s not exactly crucial or important topics that are his realm. As my friend always says “stephen a smith on, radio off”

]]> By: Bryan http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html/comment-page-1#comment-8541 Bryan Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:25:13 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html#comment-8541 <p>The funny thing is that stephen a smith is a joke. His "street style" is basically just him yelling, he is about as far from professional as possible. Not to mention that he practices the most damaging kind of speach these days, which is making absolutely everything into a racial issue. And why would he be so concerned? He's a sports reporter, it's not exactly crucial or important topics that are his realm. As my friend always says "stephen a smith on, radio off"</p> The funny thing is that stephen a smith is a joke. His “street style” is basically just him yelling, he is about as far from professional as possible. Not to mention that he practices the most damaging kind of speach these days, which is making absolutely everything into a racial issue. And why would he be so concerned? He’s a sports reporter, it’s not exactly crucial or important topics that are his realm. As my friend always says “stephen a smith on, radio off”

]]> By: bill-tb http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html/comment-page-1#comment-8540 bill-tb Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:38:38 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html#comment-8540 <p>Real journalists were never particularity good with the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. I think what really bugs them, is no one reads them any more, their monopoly is kaput. It no longer requires a printing press, or radio-tv station to get your word out. All you need is a seat at the local library. Thank you alGore.</p> <p>I find I still examine who is doing the writing and develop a level of trust over time. One misstep and I move along. You become your own editor, or you become lost.</p> Real journalists were never particularity good with the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. I think what really bugs them, is no one reads them any more, their monopoly is kaput. It no longer requires a printing press, or radio-tv station to get your word out. All you need is a seat at the local library. Thank you alGore.

I find I still examine who is doing the writing and develop a level of trust over time. One misstep and I move along. You become your own editor, or you become lost.

]]> By: Troy http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html/comment-page-1#comment-8539 Troy Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:07:28 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html#comment-8539 <p>It seems like the answer for Mr. Smith could be done privately. "Real journalists" are free to form an association and grant membership to whomever they wish. That symbol of membership could be attached to publications, web pages, etc. so the readers would know if their source was a "real journalist" or just an idiot blogger like most of us. No government needed, freedom not infringed, people free to think for themselves. --- Nah, never happen.</p> It seems like the answer for Mr. Smith could be done privately. “Real journalists” are free to form an association and grant membership to whomever they wish. That symbol of membership could be attached to publications, web pages, etc. so the readers would know if their source was a “real journalist” or just an idiot blogger like most of us. No government needed, freedom not infringed, people free to think for themselves. — Nah, never happen.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html/comment-page-1#comment-8538 Anonymous Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:54:14 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html#comment-8538 <p>One would think the First Amendment "Congress shall make no law" would quickly end all this nonsense about defining or licensing the press, but, unfortunately, the Supremes in their infinite wisdom have long ago turned "no law" into "some laws we deem socially acceptable." </p> One would think the First Amendment “Congress shall make no law” would quickly end all this nonsense about defining or licensing the press, but, unfortunately, the Supremes in their infinite wisdom have long ago turned “no law” into “some laws we deem socially acceptable.”

]]> By: Andy http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html/comment-page-1#comment-8537 Andy Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:38:05 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/12/bloggers-are-te.html#comment-8537 <p>Or like the chicken - egg debate, which came first? IIRC, Ben Franklin was a pamphleteer. Who certified him to discourse on the nascent rebellion? King George? But people like Smith run face first into Free Speech. People are free to heed or not to heed the speaker. </p> <p>In any case, all the so called self-evident truths that journalists hold near & dear, such as being "unbiased" etc are artificial constructs and/or marketing gimmicks to differentiate themselves from partisan journalists.</p> <p>Cry me a river while I punt John McCain.</p> Or like the chicken – egg debate, which came first? IIRC, Ben Franklin was a pamphleteer. Who certified him to discourse on the nascent rebellion? King George? But people like Smith run face first into Free Speech. People are free to heed or not to heed the speaker.

In any case, all the so called self-evident truths that journalists hold near & dear, such as being “unbiased” etc are artificial constructs and/or marketing gimmicks to differentiate themselves from partisan journalists.

Cry me a river while I punt John McCain.

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