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		<title>By: johnnysmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnnysmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;good post very useful information...keep it up.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;******************************&lt;br /&gt;
johnnysmith&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.treatmentcenters.org/arizona&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arizona Treatment Centers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good post very useful information&#8230;keep it up.</p>
<p>******************************<br />
johnnysmith<br />
<a href="http://www.treatmentcenters.org/arizona" rel="nofollow">Arizona Treatment Centers</a></p>
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		<title>By: mosborn2020</title>
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		<dc:creator>mosborn2020</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the arizona authorities are being a bit too impractical about the e verification thing because the present workforce might not be in the federal database and still having the permit.&lt;br /&gt;
........................&lt;br /&gt;
Mark Osborn&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.addictionrecovery.net/arizona&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Addiction Recovery Arizona&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the arizona authorities are being a bit too impractical about the e verification thing because the present workforce might not be in the federal database and still having the permit.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Mark Osborn<br />
<a href="http://www.addictionrecovery.net/arizona" rel="nofollow">Addiction Recovery Arizona</a></p>
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		<title>By: John David Galt</title>
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		<dc:creator>John David Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Isn&#039;t there a legal precedent that a state cannot require anyone to break federal law?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t there a legal precedent that a state cannot require anyone to break federal law?</p>
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		<title>By: arizona auto insurance</title>
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		<dc:creator>arizona auto insurance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reports are illegals are heading to Ok and TX, among other states. It will be very interesting to see how that affects our economy and jobs. We&#039;ve had alot of complaining about illegals. Now we get to see the impact of many of them having departed.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reports are illegals are heading to Ok and TX, among other states. It will be very interesting to see how that affects our economy and jobs. We&#8217;ve had alot of complaining about illegals. Now we get to see the impact of many of them having departed.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen in Fort Worth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen in Fort Worth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 02:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The requirement that the system may only be used within 3 days of a hire is stark raving nuts.  Do they really want all the low-skill jobs and industries to go to China?  (I&#039;m as free market as the next guy, but for efficiency reasons, not because the owners of e-verify need work....) &lt;br /&gt;
This 3-day requirement has all the marks of a committee compromise to keep the system from being used against current employees.     &lt;br /&gt;
If Arizona was a stock, I&#039;d sell it.  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The requirement that the system may only be used within 3 days of a hire is stark raving nuts.  Do they really want all the low-skill jobs and industries to go to China?  (I&#8217;m as free market as the next guy, but for efficiency reasons, not because the owners of e-verify need work&#8230;.) <br />
This 3-day requirement has all the marks of a committee compromise to keep the system from being used against current employees.     <br />
If Arizona was a stock, I&#8217;d sell it.  </p>
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		<title>By: RJP</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Two quick observations:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Everytime I&#039;ve voted in Arizona (Chandler) during the two years I&#039;ve lived here, I&#039;ve been asked for photo ID.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dell setting up shop &#039;just across the border in Sweden&#039; would be a neat trick as Finland sits between Russia and Sweden. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-Rob&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two quick observations:</p>
<p>Everytime I&#8217;ve voted in Arizona (Chandler) during the two years I&#8217;ve lived here, I&#8217;ve been asked for photo ID.</p>
<p>Dell setting up shop &#8216;just across the border in Sweden&#8217; would be a neat trick as Finland sits between Russia and Sweden. </p>
<p>-Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Given all the conflicting requirements, it looks like it will become harder than ever to run a business and actually comply with the law.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This reminds me of a story I read last millennium about Dell. They wanted to do business in Russia, but since the business climate there is so corrupt, it&#039;s impossible to compete and to obey the laws at the same time. The standard practice is to break certain laws as necessary but to have the proper political contacts, so you can distribute bribes as necessary. So Dell set up shop just across the border in Sweden and cultivated relationships with Russian distributors who would do the dirty work, and Dell could continue to be a law-abiding company.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sure that both Dell and Russia prospered significantly less than they would have in a more law-observant environment. Laws like these, which are more thoughtless and lazy than malicious, encourage corruption here.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given all the conflicting requirements, it looks like it will become harder than ever to run a business and actually comply with the law.</p>
<p>This reminds me of a story I read last millennium about Dell. They wanted to do business in Russia, but since the business climate there is so corrupt, it&#8217;s impossible to compete and to obey the laws at the same time. The standard practice is to break certain laws as necessary but to have the proper political contacts, so you can distribute bribes as necessary. So Dell set up shop just across the border in Sweden and cultivated relationships with Russian distributors who would do the dirty work, and Dell could continue to be a law-abiding company.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that both Dell and Russia prospered significantly less than they would have in a more law-observant environment. Laws like these, which are more thoughtless and lazy than malicious, encourage corruption here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kresh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I hate when people claim racism for everything... but I&#039;m having a hard time denying it on this one.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well, look at it from the point of one who works for a company that has questionable employees. Months ago we received from the state a notice that companies were not legally allowed to fire employees that provided counterfeit identification. My boss nearly went insane when that one showed up. So now with the E-Verify system, which can only be used for new hires, there is a glimmer that we might be able to do something about those that break the law. No, it&#039;s not a huge law, but it is a law that is important. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not about racism, it&#039;s about all about keeping the respect for the law intact. If those who are supposed to enforce that law are unwilling or unable to do so, why should anyone care about the law? It is being thrown on the shoulders of the AZ business community, but we&#039;d be willing to do something, as opposed to politicians who seem paralyzed at the slightest sign of protest or indignation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then again, it&#039;s not going to work that well. Good intentions too late are not enough, and strangling those who shouldered the burden for so long is not wise policy. It&#039;s going to take more than this to solve any of the issues associated with the illegal immigration problem. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Again, it&#039;s not racism. Looks can be deceiving.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I hate when people claim racism for everything&#8230; but I&#8217;m having a hard time denying it on this one.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, look at it from the point of one who works for a company that has questionable employees. Months ago we received from the state a notice that companies were not legally allowed to fire employees that provided counterfeit identification. My boss nearly went insane when that one showed up. So now with the E-Verify system, which can only be used for new hires, there is a glimmer that we might be able to do something about those that break the law. No, it&#8217;s not a huge law, but it is a law that is important. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about racism, it&#8217;s about all about keeping the respect for the law intact. If those who are supposed to enforce that law are unwilling or unable to do so, why should anyone care about the law? It is being thrown on the shoulders of the AZ business community, but we&#8217;d be willing to do something, as opposed to politicians who seem paralyzed at the slightest sign of protest or indignation.</p>
<p>Then again, it&#8217;s not going to work that well. Good intentions too late are not enough, and strangling those who shouldered the burden for so long is not wise policy. It&#8217;s going to take more than this to solve any of the issues associated with the illegal immigration problem. </p>
<p>Again, it&#8217;s not racism. Looks can be deceiving.</p>
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		<title>By: dave smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey, Sameer, do you spent alot of time scowering the internet for people who use the same words as you?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By the way, Human Events has a &quot;Ron Paul is a nut&quot; post on their blog that was posted months before yours.  Looks about the same as yours too.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Sameer, do you spent alot of time scowering the internet for people who use the same words as you?</p>
<p>By the way, Human Events has a &#8220;Ron Paul is a nut&#8221; post on their blog that was posted months before yours.  Looks about the same as yours too.</p>
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		<title>By: Sameer Parekh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sameer Parekh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Warren,&lt;br /&gt;
Good post, many good points. But I would like to lay claim to having used &quot;death penalty&quot; terminology first, 07/17/2007. Thank you. =)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.creativedestruction.com/archives/000774.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cheers,&lt;br /&gt;
-Sameer&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren,<br />
Good post, many good points. But I would like to lay claim to having used &#8220;death penalty&#8221; terminology first, 07/17/2007. Thank you. =)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.creativedestruction.com/archives/000774.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.creativedestruction.com/archives/000774.html</a></p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
-Sameer</p>
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