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		<title>By: Stok35</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/09/worst-law-i-hav.html/comment-page-1#comment-7219</link>
		<dc:creator>Stok35</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;what was JD rockefeller&#039;s scandal???&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what was JD rockefeller&#8217;s scandal???</p>
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		<title>By: dragon</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/09/worst-law-i-hav.html/comment-page-1#comment-7218</link>
		<dc:creator>dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I really love to see all the nice political comments ,You get what you vote for so be careful what you whish for you might get it &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really love to see all the nice political comments ,You get what you vote for so be careful what you whish for you might get it </p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/09/worst-law-i-hav.html/comment-page-1#comment-7217</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anyone who claims that it is &quot;ugliness&quot; they are trying to keep out to protect tourism is being totally ridiculous.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The chain stores they are &quot;prohibiting&quot; require too much square footage to ever move into these tourist areas. The large parking lots and facitlities that they require would be cost prohibitive regardless of the architecture.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who claims that it is &#8220;ugliness&#8221; they are trying to keep out to protect tourism is being totally ridiculous.</p>
<p>The chain stores they are &#8220;prohibiting&#8221; require too much square footage to ever move into these tourist areas. The large parking lots and facitlities that they require would be cost prohibitive regardless of the architecture.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo-Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/09/worst-law-i-hav.html/comment-page-1#comment-7216</link>
		<dc:creator>Neo-Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Restricting property rights because you think some people make poor choices in style is like restricting speech rights because you think some people have bad ideas.  Either a person has a right or doesn&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And you never have to shop a chain store, you choose to.  If people simply wanted the cheapest possible price, then stores would all be plain-facade gray, wrapped in white paper and employees would all wear undyed-fabric uniforms.  People want some style, they just often make different cost-style trade-offs that you don&#039;t approve of.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Restricting property rights because you think some people make poor choices in style is like restricting speech rights because you think some people have bad ideas.  Either a person has a right or doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And you never have to shop a chain store, you choose to.  If people simply wanted the cheapest possible price, then stores would all be plain-facade gray, wrapped in white paper and employees would all wear undyed-fabric uniforms.  People want some style, they just often make different cost-style trade-offs that you don&#8217;t approve of.</p>
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		<title>By: napablogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>napablogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have no problem with private property rights, in fact I belong to a group here that promotes them. But the fact is that if you don&#039;t make laws prohibiting what you don&#039;t want in retail, you will get a lot of ugly chain stores because they are all the things you are talking about here, more profitable, they can afford to build because they have a lot of money behind them, and they will pop up everywhere. If you want the unique stores and the old mom and pop stores you have to protect them. Economically and from a freedom standpoint, chain stores will win over every time, but there are other values too. People will use them because they more or less have to--that is what is around. Their prices are lower, but there is more to life than getting the cheapest possible price for something. If you don&#039;t want to look like Fresno where a long main drag has repeating sequences of KFC-Burger King-McDonald&#039;s-etc, etc over and over for miles, and that is it, you have to stop them. And I think that is ok for a local community to decide they don&#039;t want that. Who in the hell wants to vacation in Fresno? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is where, despite the fact that I pretty much am one, I think libertarians get too doctrinaire. Sometimes someone who owns some property&#039;s freedom, or just the idea of making money, are not the values you want. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We could make a hell of a lot of money setting up plants that process human organs for sale, but nobody around here wants that. We want wine grapes. And somebody would probably be able to buy some property somewhere around here that would want to do something like build a chemical plant, or a giant Mall, or whatever. But if a local community doesn&#039;t want that, they should at least have some say so. Notice that the voters in SF didn&#039;t rule it out entirely--they just don&#039;t want it to get out of control. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with private property rights, in fact I belong to a group here that promotes them. But the fact is that if you don&#8217;t make laws prohibiting what you don&#8217;t want in retail, you will get a lot of ugly chain stores because they are all the things you are talking about here, more profitable, they can afford to build because they have a lot of money behind them, and they will pop up everywhere. If you want the unique stores and the old mom and pop stores you have to protect them. Economically and from a freedom standpoint, chain stores will win over every time, but there are other values too. People will use them because they more or less have to&#8211;that is what is around. Their prices are lower, but there is more to life than getting the cheapest possible price for something. If you don&#8217;t want to look like Fresno where a long main drag has repeating sequences of KFC-Burger King-McDonald&#8217;s-etc, etc over and over for miles, and that is it, you have to stop them. And I think that is ok for a local community to decide they don&#8217;t want that. Who in the hell wants to vacation in Fresno? </p>
<p>This is where, despite the fact that I pretty much am one, I think libertarians get too doctrinaire. Sometimes someone who owns some property&#8217;s freedom, or just the idea of making money, are not the values you want. </p>
<p>We could make a hell of a lot of money setting up plants that process human organs for sale, but nobody around here wants that. We want wine grapes. And somebody would probably be able to buy some property somewhere around here that would want to do something like build a chemical plant, or a giant Mall, or whatever. But if a local community doesn&#8217;t want that, they should at least have some say so. Notice that the voters in SF didn&#8217;t rule it out entirely&#8211;they just don&#8217;t want it to get out of control. </p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Usually, South Park episodes are responses to news that&#039;s already happened (i.e. South Park satirizes life).  I guess SF had to take it a step further and do something that South Park has already satirized.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a kind of disclaimer, I can&#039;t stand coffee, regardless of whether I make it, a mom-and-pop makes it, a 10 storefront &quot;non-chain&quot; makes it, or an 11 storefront chain makes it.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomes_(South_Park_episode)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;South Park vs. Harbuck&#039;s&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually, South Park episodes are responses to news that&#8217;s already happened (i.e. South Park satirizes life).  I guess SF had to take it a step further and do something that South Park has already satirized.</p>
<p>As a kind of disclaimer, I can&#8217;t stand coffee, regardless of whether I make it, a mom-and-pop makes it, a 10 storefront &#8220;non-chain&#8221; makes it, or an 11 storefront chain makes it.  </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomes_(South_Park_episode)" rel="nofollow">South Park vs. Harbuck&#8217;s</a></p>
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		<title>By: Larry Sheldon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lived nearby and worked in San Francisco for a lot of years.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Out-of-towners asked repeatedly &quot;What is the best thing about San Francisco?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The answer always was &quot;The 5:14 train.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Over-priced, over-valued, dirty, nasty place.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lived nearby and worked in San Francisco for a lot of years.</p>
<p>Out-of-towners asked repeatedly &#8220;What is the best thing about San Francisco?&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer always was &#8220;The 5:14 train.&#8221;</p>
<p>Over-priced, over-valued, dirty, nasty place.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo-Libertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo-Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Living in the area, I have to say that San Francisco is a truly beautiful place, especially as viewed from across the bay.  But driving around it can be pretty inconvenient, parking is often a nightmare even for residents, and trying to find a drive-thru or a public restroom can be hell.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The reasoning behind all the crazy and stupid laws is always either xenophobic (we&#039;re special and better than other places) or enviro-fascist (cars are evil and people driving them need to be assaulted and threatened with bikes, like Critical Mass).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think that the crazy, natural process of building housing is what made SF beautiful and interesting.  Artificially engineering that look is, to me, like distressing or antiquing a piece of furniture.  Sure, that false-distressed look makes it fashionable, but it&#039;s just fake.  If you really want SF or any place to look interesting then repeal zoning laws.  Let people build Second Empire monstrosities next to Art Deco apartments next to whatever.  That would give the place tons of character, plus it would be free and constitutional.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The one addition I would make is that the views should be commoditized.  The view of the water is both very valuable and very contentious.  By allowing people to own the views we could reflect the fact that a Pacific Heights house was purchased in part for the view.  I don&#039;t know how to go about implementing it, but it seems like the best way to deal with the conflict over how high buildings by the bay can be.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I made some different, but related, points here:&lt;br /&gt;
http://blog.neo-libertarian.com/posts/1189964829.shtml&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in the area, I have to say that San Francisco is a truly beautiful place, especially as viewed from across the bay.  But driving around it can be pretty inconvenient, parking is often a nightmare even for residents, and trying to find a drive-thru or a public restroom can be hell.</p>
<p>The reasoning behind all the crazy and stupid laws is always either xenophobic (we&#8217;re special and better than other places) or enviro-fascist (cars are evil and people driving them need to be assaulted and threatened with bikes, like Critical Mass).</p>
<p>I think that the crazy, natural process of building housing is what made SF beautiful and interesting.  Artificially engineering that look is, to me, like distressing or antiquing a piece of furniture.  Sure, that false-distressed look makes it fashionable, but it&#8217;s just fake.  If you really want SF or any place to look interesting then repeal zoning laws.  Let people build Second Empire monstrosities next to Art Deco apartments next to whatever.  That would give the place tons of character, plus it would be free and constitutional.</p>
<p>The one addition I would make is that the views should be commoditized.  The view of the water is both very valuable and very contentious.  By allowing people to own the views we could reflect the fact that a Pacific Heights house was purchased in part for the view.  I don&#8217;t know how to go about implementing it, but it seems like the best way to deal with the conflict over how high buildings by the bay can be.</p>
<p>I made some different, but related, points here:<br />
<a href="http://blog.neo-libertarian.com/posts/1189964829.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://blog.neo-libertarian.com/posts/1189964829.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Dirty Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dirty Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They want to keep their neighborhood looking nice with some character...but they can shop online leaving the neighborhood congested with UPS and Fex trucks while taking revenue away from the noble local mercahnts and artisans.  A ban on online shopping would solve that problem.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They want to keep their neighborhood looking nice with some character&#8230;but they can shop online leaving the neighborhood congested with UPS and Fex trucks while taking revenue away from the noble local mercahnts and artisans.  A ban on online shopping would solve that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That coffee chain that has exactly 11 stores? It&#039;s PEET&#039;S!&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.peets.com/stores/store_locator.asp&lt;br /&gt;
Not Martha &amp; Bros.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sneaky b*****ds. Can&#039;t win honestly, so they lock out the competition by law. And the taxpayer&#039;s of SF get to pay for the defense against the lawsuit that Starbuck&#039;s will almost certainly launch. And win.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That coffee chain that has exactly 11 stores? It&#8217;s PEET&#8217;S!<br />
<a href="http://www.peets.com/stores/store_locator.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.peets.com/stores/store_locator.asp</a><br />
Not Martha &#038; Bros.</p>
<p>Sneaky b*****ds. Can&#8217;t win honestly, so they lock out the competition by law. And the taxpayer&#8217;s of SF get to pay for the defense against the lawsuit that Starbuck&#8217;s will almost certainly launch. And win.</p>
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