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		<title>By: markm</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/09/from-the-commen.html/comment-page-1#comment-7337</link>
		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Even if if was a rule that fit English, &quot;Don&#039;t end a sentence with a preposition&quot; doesn&#039;t state it correctly - as the ...(preposition), (expletive) examples show. That rule ignores one of the best ways in which English can form questions. It also occasionally identifies a badly formed question, but it usually misidentifies both the problem and how it should be corrected.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What the ivory-tower grammarians meant was, a preposition must be followed by a noun, pronoun, or a phrase equivalent to a noun - but that&#039;s still Latin, not English. The rule for English is that a prepostion must &lt;i&gt;clearly refer to&lt;/i&gt; a noun, pronoun, or a phrase equivalent to a noun. For direct sentences the noun goes after the preposition, but questions may be formulated by replacing the unknown noun with an interrogative pronoun (who, what, where, when, or how) and moving the preposition to the end. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s absolutely normal English usage, and in many cases attempts to avoid it are contorted and weird. In other cases (where...at), the preposition sounds wrong because it did not belong in the first place. That is, you would answer, &quot;The library is two blocks north&quot;, not &quot;The library is at...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if if was a rule that fit English, &#8220;Don&#8217;t end a sentence with a preposition&#8221; doesn&#8217;t state it correctly &#8211; as the &#8230;(preposition), (expletive) examples show. That rule ignores one of the best ways in which English can form questions. It also occasionally identifies a badly formed question, but it usually misidentifies both the problem and how it should be corrected.</p>
<p>What the ivory-tower grammarians meant was, a preposition must be followed by a noun, pronoun, or a phrase equivalent to a noun &#8211; but that&#8217;s still Latin, not English. The rule for English is that a prepostion must <i>clearly refer to</i> a noun, pronoun, or a phrase equivalent to a noun. For direct sentences the noun goes after the preposition, but questions may be formulated by replacing the unknown noun with an interrogative pronoun (who, what, where, when, or how) and moving the preposition to the end. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s absolutely normal English usage, and in many cases attempts to avoid it are contorted and weird. In other cases (where&#8230;at), the preposition sounds wrong because it did not belong in the first place. That is, you would answer, &#8220;The library is two blocks north&#8221;, not &#8220;The library is at&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/09/from-the-commen.html/comment-page-1#comment-7336</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Because Bob, ending sentences with a preposition is redundant, repetitive, superflous, non essential, and bordering on illiterate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Where is it?&quot; inquired Bob.&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Where is it at?&quot; drooled Bob.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Adding &quot;at&quot; at the end of the sentence adds nothing whatsoever to the question being asked.  Those &quot;Ivory Tower Academics&quot; you sneer at were trying to simplify things and reduce unneeded verbiage from an already simple, direct sentence.  Thanks for weilding your class warfare club at something so truly insignificant as this.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(FWIW, the Harvard joke made me laugh...)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Bob, ending sentences with a preposition is redundant, repetitive, superflous, non essential, and bordering on illiterate.</p>
<p>&#8220;Where is it?&#8221; inquired Bob.<br />
&#8220;Where is it at?&#8221; drooled Bob.</p>
<p>Adding &#8220;at&#8221; at the end of the sentence adds nothing whatsoever to the question being asked.  Those &#8220;Ivory Tower Academics&#8221; you sneer at were trying to simplify things and reduce unneeded verbiage from an already simple, direct sentence.  Thanks for weilding your class warfare club at something so truly insignificant as this.</p>
<p>(FWIW, the Harvard joke made me laugh&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why shouldn&#039;t you end a sentence in a preposition? That rule was an attempt by educators to import rules from &quot;superior&quot; languages, in this case Latin. English is not Latin, the dreams of ivory-tower academics notwithstanding. It makes no sense in English, as the mental contortions necessary to follow it show.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why shouldn&#8217;t you end a sentence in a preposition? That rule was an attempt by educators to import rules from &#8220;superior&#8221; languages, in this case Latin. English is not Latin, the dreams of ivory-tower academics notwithstanding. It makes no sense in English, as the mental contortions necessary to follow it show.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I always notice that I&#039;m ending a sentence in a preposition as I&#039;m doing it and know that I shouldn&#039;t.  But I keep banging away at the keys without bothering to go back and restructure the sentence.  It gives me a little visceral thrill to know that I&#039;m breaking rules the bad boy that I am.  Such is my life...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always notice that I&#8217;m ending a sentence in a preposition as I&#8217;m doing it and know that I shouldn&#8217;t.  But I keep banging away at the keys without bothering to go back and restructure the sentence.  It gives me a little visceral thrill to know that I&#8217;m breaking rules the bad boy that I am.  Such is my life&#8230;</p>
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