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By: Al Fin

Al Fin — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:28:59 +0000

To the contrary, TCO, Steve McIntyre is consummately curious, unlike the two true-believing-advocates you mentioned.

McIntyre is so curious he spends his own time and money to look into "professional" and well-funded scientists' misbegotten data.

Congrats to Steve, for kicking the tenured, pampered butts of pseudo-sci!

By: TCO

TCO — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:56:58 +0000

Danger, Will Robinson, danger. Don’t go to far down the path of putting faith in Steve M. He and Mann and Hansen and etc need to have heads smacked together. they are none of them really curious, truth seeking types. You may not have encountered that. They don’t teach it at ILW.

By: dearieme

dearieme — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:00:14 +0000

Those who had assumed he was a crook may now be wondering whether he is bonkers. Which wouldn’t preclude his being a crook too.

By: Daublin

Daublin — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:50:51 +0000

Wow, his letter actually names “conservatives” as the ones who are asking him to release his data and program. Does he not realize that liberals, greens, communists, and libertarians would also like to see the data and methods?

By: Jon

Jon — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:28:03 +0000

It happens so often... in order to dumb down the debate, they use very simple indications (in this case, that 1998 was the warmest year on record), and then scream obscenities when confronted with the same simplicities.

Katrina might be the biggest example of this. Remember when Katrina was a clear sign that global warming was happening? Well, the next year, when there were virtually no hurricanes, some of us pointed out that there must not be global warming then. Of course, in that case the response was to blame global warming for the decline in hurricanes.

I would love to see a cooling for a few years... just so I could hear Al Gore proclaim that global warming is causing temperatures to decline.

By: Walter E. Wallis, P.E.

Walter E. Wallis, P.E. — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:20:40 +0000

Hansen is an advocate, not a scientist. He just lacks the honesty to leave his scientist job and go on Gore’s payroll full time. His claim, now, that the averages were meaningless rings hollow to his waving them about earlier.

By: Bob

Bob — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:15:34 +0000

I commend Scientist Hansen on his use of "usufruct" so often in his letter. He's absolutely right.

We must pass Directive 10-289 immediately so that our children will inherit the world in the EXACT same condition in which we received it.

By: Jigga Wha?

Jigga Wha? — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:01:45 +0000

I worked on modeling of plasma for my thesis, which had a ton of code, and while we didn't always directly give the code to anyone, I couldn't imagine going to a conference without describing our coding methods. Even guys at the big national labs were desperate to get input from little guys. I think the fundamental attitude was so different -- we were analyzing one small part of a large process, simply didn't know the greater effects a few steps down the line, and were thankful for any check on our work (Lord knows we wouldn't know if we were making a mistake after years of staring at the same input/output).

I cannot fathom how the same is not done in all fields.

By: Rick

Rick — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:44:00 +0000

I wonder how he addresses the secrecy issue.

And about his closing statement conclusion that indicates it's not too late but just about. If we are really at such a super critical moment of history and we must absolutely act now - he has to do a better job in getting his information and methods out.