Comments on: I Was Teenage Warming-Denying Werewolf http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/08/i-was-teenage-w.html Dispatches from a Small Business Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:39:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Paul L. http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/08/i-was-teenage-w.html/comment-page-1#comment-6462 Paul L. Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:47:40 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/08/i-was-teenage-w.html#comment-6462 <p>"There has been an organized campaign, financed to the tune of about $10 million a year"<br /> So Mr Gore and JG, how much did it cost to produce and market An Inconvenient Truth?<br /> I am guessing alot more is spent promoting Global Warming.</p> “There has been an organized campaign, financed to the tune of about $10 million a year”
So Mr Gore and JG, how much did it cost to produce and market An Inconvenient Truth?
I am guessing alot more is spent promoting Global Warming.

]]> By: Jim Howe http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/08/i-was-teenage-w.html/comment-page-1#comment-6461 Jim Howe Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:07:13 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/08/i-was-teenage-w.html#comment-6461 <p>I consider myself a skeptic about AGW, but I'm willing to listen to arguments from either side. However, I often times feel that I'm not getting the straight story from pro AGW individuals and groups. The fact that they personally attack skeptics and label them as 'deniers' rather than simply addressing their arguments in a reasonable way makes me feel they have something to hide. Their tendency to spout worst case scenarios rather than most likely scenarios also makes me feel that their intent is to scare rather than inform. Finally, the fact that they will make claims which are obviously not supported by the data (hurricanes doubling in the latter half of the 20th century, more tornadoes, etc.) make me wonder what other "facts" they are fudging on. </p> <p>Skeptics, regardless of who paid them, serve a useful role in ensuring that errors, unintentional or otherwise, get identified and hopefully corrected. Science only advances when people challenge current assumptions. My feeling is that those who fear and demonize skeptics must not feel very comfortable about their science.</p> I consider myself a skeptic about AGW, but I’m willing to listen to arguments from either side. However, I often times feel that I’m not getting the straight story from pro AGW individuals and groups. The fact that they personally attack skeptics and label them as ‘deniers’ rather than simply addressing their arguments in a reasonable way makes me feel they have something to hide. Their tendency to spout worst case scenarios rather than most likely scenarios also makes me feel that their intent is to scare rather than inform. Finally, the fact that they will make claims which are obviously not supported by the data (hurricanes doubling in the latter half of the 20th century, more tornadoes, etc.) make me wonder what other “facts” they are fudging on.

Skeptics, regardless of who paid them, serve a useful role in ensuring that errors, unintentional or otherwise, get identified and hopefully corrected. Science only advances when people challenge current assumptions. My feeling is that those who fear and demonize skeptics must not feel very comfortable about their science.

]]> By: bob http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/08/i-was-teenage-w.html/comment-page-1#comment-6460 bob Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:37:06 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/08/i-was-teenage-w.html#comment-6460 <p>geo rip : you typify the garbled thinking of your ilk. I don't know where to begin. What has Safety First got to do with this? There is no scientific consensus. Why Willy Nilly? What apparent disaster? The melting of the icecaps? What the heck? The predicted sea level water rise is tiny. Unless you believe the cranks. Didn't you read Coyote's stuff?</p> <p>Greater profits : so that's where you are coming from. Pathetic as I bet you are benefiting greatly from the capitalistic machine you so loathe. You are pathetic.</p> geo rip : you typify the garbled thinking of your ilk. I don’t know where to begin. What has Safety First got to do with this? There is no scientific consensus. Why Willy Nilly? What apparent disaster? The melting of the icecaps? What the heck? The predicted sea level water rise is tiny. Unless you believe the cranks. Didn’t you read Coyote’s stuff?

Greater profits : so that’s where you are coming from. Pathetic as I bet you are benefiting greatly from the capitalistic machine you so loathe. You are pathetic.

]]> By: geo rip http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/08/i-was-teenage-w.html/comment-page-1#comment-6459 geo rip Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:33:02 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/08/i-was-teenage-w.html#comment-6459 <p>Where I come from "Safety First" is the motto...I don't get it that deniers seem to want to ignore the scientific consensus and rush the world willy nilly towards an apparent disaster, and let's not pretend the melting of the icecaps would be no disaster. And all that in the name of freedom and greater profits, as if there are no profits to be possible in the great work of inventing our way out of the creation of greater and greater problems. So instead of planning for a future of shortages we need bigger and bigger vehicles consumming more and more as we race towards..what?</p> Where I come from “Safety First” is the motto…I don’t get it that deniers seem to want to ignore the scientific consensus and rush the world willy nilly towards an apparent disaster, and let’s not pretend the melting of the icecaps would be no disaster. And all that in the name of freedom and greater profits, as if there are no profits to be possible in the great work of inventing our way out of the creation of greater and greater problems. So instead of planning for a future of shortages we need bigger and bigger vehicles consumming more and more as we race towards..what?

]]> By: JG http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/08/i-was-teenage-w.html/comment-page-1#comment-6458 JG Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:13:23 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/08/i-was-teenage-w.html#comment-6458 <p>So how much do you make from ExxonMobil? ;)</p> <p>Al Gore: "There has been an organized campaign, financed to the tune of about $10 million a year from some of the largest carbon polluters, to create the impression that there is disagreement in the scientific community," Gore said at a forum in Singapore. "In actuality, there is very little disagreement."</p> <p>"This is one of the strongest of scientific consensus views in the history of science," Gore said. "We live in a world where what used to be called propaganda now has a major role to play in shaping public opinion."</p> So how much do you make from ExxonMobil? ;)

Al Gore: “There has been an organized campaign, financed to the tune of about $10 million a year from some of the largest carbon polluters, to create the impression that there is disagreement in the scientific community,” Gore said at a forum in Singapore. “In actuality, there is very little disagreement.”

“This is one of the strongest of scientific consensus views in the history of science,” Gore said. “We live in a world where what used to be called propaganda now has a major role to play in shaping public opinion.”

]]> By: Larry Sheldon http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/08/i-was-teenage-w.html/comment-page-1#comment-6457 Larry Sheldon Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:15:18 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/08/i-was-teenage-w.html#comment-6457 <p>In the geekosphere (where you might think they would be bright enough to know better) I usually am challenged that I am obviously a "holocaust^Wglobal warming denier".</p> <p>If you are not a decrepit old fart (as I am) you might not recognize that as the equivalent if using a strike-through found for the word "holocaust".</p> <p>The sad thing to me is that few people (on either side of the debate) seem to be able to see the disconnect between "climate change" and "man-caused".</p> <p>It seems to me that the climate changes here in the Midwest over time caused by (or at least perfectly correlated with) the expansion of cultivation are well documented and have been for a hundred years or more.</p> <p>The results of the destruction of rain forests at the foot of Mt. Kilimanjaro seem pretty well correlated with the loss of ice ont the top of the mountain.</p> <p>But what the Gores of the current debacle seem most interested in is mostly the prevention of further development of the "underdeveloped" (a term worthy of some serious refutation, but that is for another rant) in a clear "I got mine, but let's close the gates to keep anybody else out" program.</p> In the geekosphere (where you might think they would be bright enough to know better) I usually am challenged that I am obviously a “holocaust^Wglobal warming denier”.

If you are not a decrepit old fart (as I am) you might not recognize that as the equivalent if using a strike-through found for the word “holocaust”.

The sad thing to me is that few people (on either side of the debate) seem to be able to see the disconnect between “climate change” and “man-caused”.

It seems to me that the climate changes here in the Midwest over time caused by (or at least perfectly correlated with) the expansion of cultivation are well documented and have been for a hundred years or more.

The results of the destruction of rain forests at the foot of Mt. Kilimanjaro seem pretty well correlated with the loss of ice ont the top of the mountain.

But what the Gores of the current debacle seem most interested in is mostly the prevention of further development of the “underdeveloped” (a term worthy of some serious refutation, but that is for another rant) in a clear “I got mine, but let’s close the gates to keep anybody else out” program.

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