Comments on: Denier vs. Skeptic

By: Dan

Dan — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 04:19:12 +0000

The climate change deniers are the ones yelling “fascist” and “nazi”, as anyone who can google can see:

The Creeping Fascism of Global Warming Hysteria
The Creeping Fascism of Global Warming Hysteria … Let’s just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies …
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/130207globalwarming.htm – 59k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this
The Creeping Fascism of Global Warming Hysteria
The Creeping Fascism of Global Warming Hysteria Man-made orthodoxy is a dogma of coercion, bias, and junk science. Paul Joseph Watson …
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The Creeping Fascism of Global Warming Hysteria By Paul Joseph …
Feb. 13, 2007. The hoax of the doctrine of man-made global warming that is being foisted upon the world by decree, and the junk science that is manipulated …
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The Creeping Fascism of Global Warming Hysteria
National Radio Broadcaster and Documentary Filmmaker Alex Jones Tells the Story of His Infiltration into the Ultra-Secret, Elite Bohemian Grove Where the …
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The Creeping Fascism of Global Warming Hysteria – Global Warming …
The Creeping Fascism of Global Warming Hysteria, Global Warming Forum. Discuss how global warming is changing our planet and affecting our lives Join the …
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Deliberate Coincidences: “The Creeping Fascism of Global Warming …
London Bombing Redux:Anti-Terror Exercise Goes Live; The Alternative ‘Why’ of the Global Warming Agenda; The Creeping Fascism of Global Warming Hysteria …
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By: Artd0dger

Artd0dger — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:29:27 +0000

I too am skeptical of positive feedback mechanisms, but I can't discount them entirely. For instance, there is the simple example of snow albedo (snow reflects sunlight, causes cooling, causes more snow...), and there is the record of climate oscillations in the recent ice ages.

On the other hand, if there were positive feedback mechanisms lurking about, then it seems like the imperative would be to develop active technological climate control. Slashing CO2 emissions won't matter much if the next natural perturbation is going to come along and trigger a climate shift anyway. AGW hawks reject ideas for active climate control (e.g., plankton seeding and sulfur aerosols) because we can't foresee their consequences, and they are right. But they are basically advocating a very expensive, low gain method for just that -- active climate control. I'm not convinced we can foresee these climate consequences either, but we can foresee some of the human consequences. Shaving a point or two off the compound interest of human progress is a BIG deal.

By: Nick

Nick — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:45:17 +0000

Anyone know what the weight is for the USA data in the world temperature data output from the IPCC?

I know its about 1200 stations out of 3000, but that doesn't mean it is 40%

Nick

By: Mark

Mark — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:57:42 +0000

The problem with the language, in my opinion, is that in truth a denier can only deny something that has happened, like the Holocaust.

TO use the same terminology for someone who disputes forecasts and simulations is completely inappropriate and typical of the climate fanatics.

Anyone who truly believes that the science can be settled on any forecast can simply only be described as a total idiot.

By: smcg

smcg — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:42:34 +0000

Good points, though I’m not sure that nuclear fission is a good example of a natural world positive feedback. I don’t think it’s really +vely fedback in nature – only when enriched and constrained by human interaction (weapons and reactors). Even in a nuclear weapon the resulting explosion stops the reaction after a (very) short time.