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		<title>By: Matthew Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I suspect that in many cases the photos are not taken at sunset but at sunrise, when the air is colder and water vapor will make a more spectacular display.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On the inland highway between Sydney and Brisbane you go past a couple of coal fired power stations.&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayswater_Power_Station%2C_New_South_Wales&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is a road sign which depicts the cooling towers with steam and specifically says &quot;Water Vapour&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wonder how many people drove along and were horrified at the amount of pollution... before that sign was put up.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the inland highway between Sydney and Brisbane you go past a couple of coal fired power stations.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayswater_Power_Station%2C_New_South_Wales" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayswater_Power_Station%2C_New_South_Wales</a></p>
<p>There is a road sign which depicts the cooling towers with steam and specifically says &#8220;Water Vapour&#8221;.</p>
<p>I wonder how many people drove along and were horrified at the amount of pollution&#8230; before that sign was put up.</p>
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		<title>By: JdJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JdJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This remimds me of an episode that happened at Tucson Gas &amp; Electric back in the 70s (before it became Tucson Electric Power). TG&amp;E had small cooling towers at its Irvington plant on the south edge of Tucson; they&#039;re still there.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One of the local papers, probably the Tucson Citizen, published a photo of steam rising off these cooling towers with a caption to the effect that it was  a picture of TG&amp;E&#039;s pollution.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;TG&amp;E got on the paper&#039;s case about it and the paper did print a retraction.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This remimds me of an episode that happened at Tucson Gas &#038; Electric back in the 70s (before it became Tucson Electric Power). TG&#038;E had small cooling towers at its Irvington plant on the south edge of Tucson; they&#8217;re still there.</p>
<p>One of the local papers, probably the Tucson Citizen, published a photo of steam rising off these cooling towers with a caption to the effect that it was  a picture of TG&#038;E&#8217;s pollution.</p>
<p>TG&#038;E got on the paper&#8217;s case about it and the paper did print a retraction.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;mjh makes an interesting point, but what happens when that same bus makes 10 more trips with less than 20 people or no people for that matter?  Public transportation is run by governments because it HAS to be.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I look at it as an inadvertant welfare program.  It exists for the sole purpose of transporting people who can&#039;t or won&#039;t use their own vehicles.  I work in Pittsburgh and right now the public transportation system here is looking at an $80 million shortfall in funding this year.  They are trying to cut back, but everytime they announce a reduction in service you end up with someone on the evening news saying how the bus system is the only transportation they have or a group saying how the cut backs are racist.  I am not being critical of the people who use public transportation, if it could be relied upon to get me to work on time, I&#039;d use it myself.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anybody who tries to tell you that public transportation is environalmentally friendly hasn&#039;t done their homework.  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mjh makes an interesting point, but what happens when that same bus makes 10 more trips with less than 20 people or no people for that matter?  Public transportation is run by governments because it HAS to be.  </p>
<p>I look at it as an inadvertant welfare program.  It exists for the sole purpose of transporting people who can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t use their own vehicles.  I work in Pittsburgh and right now the public transportation system here is looking at an $80 million shortfall in funding this year.  They are trying to cut back, but everytime they announce a reduction in service you end up with someone on the evening news saying how the bus system is the only transportation they have or a group saying how the cut backs are racist.  I am not being critical of the people who use public transportation, if it could be relied upon to get me to work on time, I&#8217;d use it myself.</p>
<p>Anybody who tries to tell you that public transportation is environalmentally friendly hasn&#8217;t done their homework.  </p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good post. You make some salient points.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. You make some salient points.</p>
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		<title>By: mjh</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It had never occurred to me that the smoke coming out of those stacks was just steam.  Of course, when I lived in Houston, not too far from oil refineries, you could see the tops of the stacks actually burning.  I don&#039;t know what they were burning nor why, but it was definately flame.  It lit up the night sky.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In any case, I recall thinking that the stuff that they&#039;re doing is a means of concentrating the efforts of many.  E.g. if we all had to produce X instead of a factory, we&#039;d pollute much more than if a factory produces it for us.  This is, of course, the argument the left uses when they preach public transportation.  Yes, a bus pollutes more than a car, but a bus full of 20 people pollutes less than those 20 people driving 20 cars.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So even if pollution were coming out of those stack, I find it ironic that they don&#039;t see this as a good thing since it&#039;s more efficient pollution than everyone producing the same thing on their own.  Maybe the difference in their attitude stems from the fact that public transportation is publically run while most factories are privately run.  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It had never occurred to me that the smoke coming out of those stacks was just steam.  Of course, when I lived in Houston, not too far from oil refineries, you could see the tops of the stacks actually burning.  I don&#8217;t know what they were burning nor why, but it was definately flame.  It lit up the night sky.</p>
<p>In any case, I recall thinking that the stuff that they&#8217;re doing is a means of concentrating the efforts of many.  E.g. if we all had to produce X instead of a factory, we&#8217;d pollute much more than if a factory produces it for us.  This is, of course, the argument the left uses when they preach public transportation.  Yes, a bus pollutes more than a car, but a bus full of 20 people pollutes less than those 20 people driving 20 cars.</p>
<p>So even if pollution were coming out of those stack, I find it ironic that they don&#8217;t see this as a good thing since it&#8217;s more efficient pollution than everyone producing the same thing on their own.  Maybe the difference in their attitude stems from the fact that public transportation is publically run while most factories are privately run.  </p>
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		<title>By: Mesa EconoGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mesa EconoGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 03:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Okay, okay, okay, last post, and thank you Coyote for providing the forum.  Youâ€™re asking â€œwho is this econojerk, and how does he know this stuff?â€&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Organic Chemistry quiz for you global warmers:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since â€œmethane emissionsâ€”another greenhouse gas that is 23 times more potent than carbon dioxideâ€ is CH4, highly combustible, what makes you think that ethanol, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;CH3CH2OH&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;also highly combustible, but chemically nearly identical to methane, wonâ€™t pollute more than, say, benzene&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzene &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;toluene,&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluene &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;or Methyl-tertiary-butyl-ether (MTBE)&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTBE &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;which we are currently using as additives?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And how do you explain that ethanol is in any way environmentally friendly, given that ethanol is 2/3 as combustion-efficient as regular gasoline (BTU/US gallon, i.e. weâ€™ll need to burn more for equivalent output)?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Huh?  Whatâ€™s your answer, Al?  How is this â€œgoing green,â€ except the green going into your freakishly undersized pants pocket????&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12040418 &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;[say it with me, Coyoteâ€¦â€¦.B-U-L-L-S-H-Iâ€¦â€¦â€¦]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, okay, okay, last post, and thank you Coyote for providing the forum.  Youâ€™re asking â€œwho is this econojerk, and how does he know this stuff?â€</p>
<p>Organic Chemistry quiz for you global warmers:</p>
<p>Since â€œmethane emissionsâ€”another greenhouse gas that is 23 times more potent than carbon dioxideâ€ is CH4, highly combustible, what makes you think that ethanol, </p>
<p>CH3CH2OH</p>
<p>also highly combustible, but chemically nearly identical to methane, wonâ€™t pollute more than, say, benzene<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzene" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzene</a> </p>
<p>toluene,<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluene" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluene</a> </p>
<p>or Methyl-tertiary-butyl-ether (MTBE)<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTBE" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTBE</a> </p>
<p>which we are currently using as additives?</p>
<p>And how do you explain that ethanol is in any way environmentally friendly, given that ethanol is 2/3 as combustion-efficient as regular gasoline (BTU/US gallon, i.e. weâ€™ll need to burn more for equivalent output)?</p>
<p>Huh?  Whatâ€™s your answer, Al?  How is this â€œgoing green,â€ except the green going into your freakishly undersized pants pocket????</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12040418" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12040418</a> </p>
<p>[say it with me, Coyoteâ€¦â€¦.B-U-L-L-S-H-Iâ€¦â€¦â€¦]</p>
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		<title>By: Mesa EconoGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mesa EconoGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hereâ€™s the latest â€œglobal-warming-holocaust-denierâ€ insight:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTU1MzA0MjkxNjY2YzczN2M1MjE3YmU3YzE2MzQ3MTM &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Notable:&lt;br /&gt;
â€œSince 1990, the baseline year of the Kyoto Protocol, methane emissions have dropped by 12.8 percent. This reduction of approximately four million metric tons represents an equivalent reduction of about 90 million metric tons of carbon dioxide. Continued reductions in methane may make worries about carbon dioxide moot.&lt;br /&gt;
Most climate scientists did not forecast this enormous reduction in methane emissions, largely because it did not fit neatly into the accepted paradigm that climate change was an entirely human-induced phenomenon.â€&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Basically, cow farts are on the decline, and Prime Rib orders are on the rise, due to increased standard of living, so we can all relax.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;See? Prosperity really is good for the environmentâ€¦.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hereâ€™s the latest â€œglobal-warming-holocaust-denierâ€ insight:</p>
<p><a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTU1MzA0MjkxNjY2YzczN2M1MjE3YmU3YzE2MzQ3MTM" rel="nofollow">http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTU1MzA0MjkxNjY2YzczN2M1MjE3YmU3YzE2MzQ3MTM</a> </p>
<p>Notable:<br />
â€œSince 1990, the baseline year of the Kyoto Protocol, methane emissions have dropped by 12.8 percent. This reduction of approximately four million metric tons represents an equivalent reduction of about 90 million metric tons of carbon dioxide. Continued reductions in methane may make worries about carbon dioxide moot.<br />
Most climate scientists did not forecast this enormous reduction in methane emissions, largely because it did not fit neatly into the accepted paradigm that climate change was an entirely human-induced phenomenon.â€</p>
<p>Basically, cow farts are on the decline, and Prime Rib orders are on the rise, due to increased standard of living, so we can all relax.</p>
<p>See? Prosperity really is good for the environmentâ€¦.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll betcha there&#039;s overdiagnosis of asthma, too. I was diagnosed when I was a teen, though I never suffered from it. Years later, for irrelevant reasons, I actually got tested. The original diagnosis had been false. It&#039;s anecdotal, but at least it&#039;s my anecdote.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And otherwise great analysis. Thanks, Coyote.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll betcha there&#8217;s overdiagnosis of asthma, too. I was diagnosed when I was a teen, though I never suffered from it. Years later, for irrelevant reasons, I actually got tested. The original diagnosis had been false. It&#8217;s anecdotal, but at least it&#8217;s my anecdote.</p>
<p>And otherwise great analysis. Thanks, Coyote.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The comment about asthma is interesting. In New Zealand where I live, 1 in and 4 kids and 1 in 6 adults has asthma. This is in a relatively unpolluted country. In the USA, only 6% of children have asthma. Go figure.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment about asthma is interesting. In New Zealand where I live, 1 in and 4 kids and 1 in 6 adults has asthma. This is in a relatively unpolluted country. In the USA, only 6% of children have asthma. Go figure.</p>
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