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		<title>By: John III</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/04/a_nation_of_sla.html/comment-page-1#comment-5327</link>
		<dc:creator>John III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 05:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Im a little late to the party ( I linked in from a new article), but I just wanted to point out.  YES, you can renounce your citizenship and leave the US, BUT The IRS deems you a resident for the next 10 years in regards to any income you may earn abroad.  So you cant really escape unless you leave no family or property behind, nor plan to visit at any future time.  Further, if You own property, even rental property, or a business in the US, they will still deam you a resident for tax purposes, until 10 years after the sale of said.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Kicker is that (in the case of canada at any rate) they will immediatly Cut off all benefits, including healthcare, when you renouce your citizenship, treating you as a nonresident, but they will still nail you as a resident for taxes.  This can catch you even if you move from one province to another, since you are required to live in a province for 1 year to be deamed a resident for benefits, but not living in a province for the previous 33 months cancels benefits .  Joy to the modern state!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im a little late to the party ( I linked in from a new article), but I just wanted to point out.  YES, you can renounce your citizenship and leave the US, BUT The IRS deems you a resident for the next 10 years in regards to any income you may earn abroad.  So you cant really escape unless you leave no family or property behind, nor plan to visit at any future time.  Further, if You own property, even rental property, or a business in the US, they will still deam you a resident for tax purposes, until 10 years after the sale of said.  </p>
<p>The Kicker is that (in the case of canada at any rate) they will immediatly Cut off all benefits, including healthcare, when you renouce your citizenship, treating you as a nonresident, but they will still nail you as a resident for taxes.  This can catch you even if you move from one province to another, since you are required to live in a province for 1 year to be deamed a resident for benefits, but not living in a province for the previous 33 months cancels benefits .  Joy to the modern state!</p>
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		<title>By: Noumenon</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/04/a_nation_of_sla.html/comment-page-1#comment-5326</link>
		<dc:creator>Noumenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Would the Negroes even have minded being slaves if they got to keep 75% of the entire national income after the slaveowners&#039; portion was taken out?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Here&#039;s my calculation: The top 50% makes 88% of national income and pays 92% of federal taxes, federal taxes take approximately 1/6 of GDP, therefore the top 50% is giving a maximum of 15% of national income to the bottom 50%, leaving them with 73%.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If the American South had its income distributed that way, would you believe the nominal &quot;slaveowners&quot; were really in charge?  Or would you think their legal claim on some of the slaves&#039; income was just a sop to keep them from causing social unrest about not being in charge any more?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would the Negroes even have minded being slaves if they got to keep 75% of the entire national income after the slaveowners&#8217; portion was taken out?  </p>
<p>(Here&#8217;s my calculation: The top 50% makes 88% of national income and pays 92% of federal taxes, federal taxes take approximately 1/6 of GDP, therefore the top 50% is giving a maximum of 15% of national income to the bottom 50%, leaving them with 73%.)</p>
<p>If the American South had its income distributed that way, would you believe the nominal &#8220;slaveowners&#8221; were really in charge?  Or would you think their legal claim on some of the slaves&#8217; income was just a sop to keep them from causing social unrest about not being in charge any more?</p>
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		<title>By: Global Warming</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/04/a_nation_of_sla.html/comment-page-1#comment-5325</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Warming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And the point is not that the two are the same. Garble has hit on the difference. But the similarity should be remembered... The process, the mechanism of state, the force threatened, and the unilateral nature of the rule, are the same. And, to conclude, that the moral outrage at taxation should be exhibited in the same way that moral outrage against slavery is exhibited. As noted, they are not identical, but are of the same genus if not the same species.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the point is not that the two are the same. Garble has hit on the difference. But the similarity should be remembered&#8230; The process, the mechanism of state, the force threatened, and the unilateral nature of the rule, are the same. And, to conclude, that the moral outrage at taxation should be exhibited in the same way that moral outrage against slavery is exhibited. As noted, they are not identical, but are of the same genus if not the same species.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Warming</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/04/a_nation_of_sla.html/comment-page-1#comment-5324</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Warming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And the point is not that the two are the same. Garble has hit on the difference. But the similarity should be remembered... The process, the mechanism of state, the force threatened, and the unilateral nature of the rule, are the same. And, to conclude, that the moral outrage at taxation should be exhibited in the same way that moral outrage against slavery is exhibited. As noted, they are not identical, but are of the same genus if not the same species.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the point is not that the two are the same. Garble has hit on the difference. But the similarity should be remembered&#8230; The process, the mechanism of state, the force threatened, and the unilateral nature of the rule, are the same. And, to conclude, that the moral outrage at taxation should be exhibited in the same way that moral outrage against slavery is exhibited. As noted, they are not identical, but are of the same genus if not the same species.</p>
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		<title>By: Garble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Being forced to work on another&#039;s land vs. being forced to give up the property (money) gained from your labor but being able to work where you want. Not the same thing, as pointed out by the pedantic comments. It is still valid to subsume both situations under the concept of slavery, as they both involve using force to take a person&#039;s labor value.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The thing that you&#039;re missing is that slaves weren&#039;t just denied the fruit their labor. They were denied all human rights. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Being forced to work on another&#8217;s land vs. being forced to give up the property (money) gained from your labor but being able to work where you want. Not the same thing, as pointed out by the pedantic comments. It is still valid to subsume both situations under the concept of slavery, as they both involve using force to take a person&#8217;s labor value.<br />
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<p>The thing that you&#8217;re missing is that slaves weren&#8217;t just denied the fruit their labor. They were denied all human rights. </p>
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		<title>By: septagon49</title>
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		<dc:creator>septagon49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Founding Fathers thought they placed enough safe guards into the Constitution to prevent the kind of oppressive taxation and  leviathan government we have today.  These include:&lt;br /&gt;
1.  Article I section 8&lt;br /&gt;
2.  The Necessary and Proper clause&lt;br /&gt;
3.  The V amendment&lt;br /&gt;
4.  The IX amendment&lt;br /&gt;
5.  The X amendment&lt;br /&gt;
6.  The Commerce clause&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;After the Civil War the XIV amendment was suppose to enforce the same restrictions onto the states as well.  Worshipper of the &quot;State&quot; sacrificed individual rights on the altar of collectivism to twist each on of these restrictions into its exact opposite.  Add to this the one amendment that actually expands the power of government, ie XVI, and we find ourselves well on the way to serfdom.  Today we have legalized theft which punishes the productive and rewards slothful.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Founding Fathers thought they placed enough safe guards into the Constitution to prevent the kind of oppressive taxation and  leviathan government we have today.  These include:<br />
1.  Article I section 8<br />
2.  The Necessary and Proper clause<br />
3.  The V amendment<br />
4.  The IX amendment<br />
5.  The X amendment<br />
6.  The Commerce clause</p>
<p>After the Civil War the XIV amendment was suppose to enforce the same restrictions onto the states as well.  Worshipper of the &#8220;State&#8221; sacrificed individual rights on the altar of collectivism to twist each on of these restrictions into its exact opposite.  Add to this the one amendment that actually expands the power of government, ie XVI, and we find ourselves well on the way to serfdom.  Today we have legalized theft which punishes the productive and rewards slothful.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank N Stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank N Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Being forced to work on another&#039;s land vs. being forced to give up the property (money) gained from your labor but being able to work where you want. Not the same thing, as pointed out by the pedantic comments. It is still valid to subsume both situations under the concept of slavery, as they both involve using force to take a person&#039;s labor value.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In more recent times, the military draft was an example of the first kind of slavery, or should we quibble over irrelevant details like the lack of cotton fields in Vietnam?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is of course possible to leave the country, just as it was possible for a southern slave to flee to the north. There are few things sillier than pretending that being born in a certain geographical region entails that one has figuratively signed an implied contract, allowing a minority to engage in rights violations against others.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being forced to work on another&#8217;s land vs. being forced to give up the property (money) gained from your labor but being able to work where you want. Not the same thing, as pointed out by the pedantic comments. It is still valid to subsume both situations under the concept of slavery, as they both involve using force to take a person&#8217;s labor value.</p>
<p>In more recent times, the military draft was an example of the first kind of slavery, or should we quibble over irrelevant details like the lack of cotton fields in Vietnam?</p>
<p>It is of course possible to leave the country, just as it was possible for a southern slave to flee to the north. There are few things sillier than pretending that being born in a certain geographical region entails that one has figuratively signed an implied contract, allowing a minority to engage in rights violations against others.</p>
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		<title>By: eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;a partial loss of property (with due process etc.)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What due process?  The majority, through their elected representatives, voted to take away my property and give it to someone else.  Is that what you call due process?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If so, it&#039;s the same due process that allowed people to be held in bondage.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>a partial loss of property (with due process etc.)</i></p>
<p>What due process?  The majority, through their elected representatives, voted to take away my property and give it to someone else.  Is that what you call due process?</p>
<p>If so, it&#8217;s the same due process that allowed people to be held in bondage.</p>
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		<title>By: garble</title>
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		<dc:creator>garble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not saying that this point endorses slavery. I know that it doesn&#039;t. I don&#039;t think warren endorses slavery. I don&#039;t think warren is a racist. I also agree with the idea that half the population shouldn&#039;t be on the dole. I agree with most of what warren writes. I&#039;ve never met him but I like him based on his writing. My family has gone to one of the camps he manages on vacation partially because of this blog. (LOVED IT) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m saying that the comparison between taxation and slavery is silly because of how broad the difference is. I&#039;m also saying that it&#039;s offensive because it implies a moral equivilance between a partial loss of property (with due process etc.) and complete loss of liberty. This is further compounded by the fact that the decedents of slaves (or people who look them) are still not fully integrated into the economic life of the united state. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A note to tribal elder, I don&#039;t think the word chattel means what you think it means. Also thereâ€™s a substantial difference between your children being a ward of the state and your children being sold as property. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Taxation might be easier to stomach if you thought of it as an implied contract. You&#039;re perfectly free not to pay taxes. All you have to do is renounce your citizenship and leave the country. I&#039;ll admit that this is not a great option, but the option exists. Perhaps you&#039;d like Canada or Mexico better? &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying that this point endorses slavery. I know that it doesn&#8217;t. I don&#8217;t think warren endorses slavery. I don&#8217;t think warren is a racist. I also agree with the idea that half the population shouldn&#8217;t be on the dole. I agree with most of what warren writes. I&#8217;ve never met him but I like him based on his writing. My family has gone to one of the camps he manages on vacation partially because of this blog. (LOVED IT) </p>
<p>I&#8217;m saying that the comparison between taxation and slavery is silly because of how broad the difference is. I&#8217;m also saying that it&#8217;s offensive because it implies a moral equivilance between a partial loss of property (with due process etc.) and complete loss of liberty. This is further compounded by the fact that the decedents of slaves (or people who look them) are still not fully integrated into the economic life of the united state. </p>
<p>A note to tribal elder, I don&#8217;t think the word chattel means what you think it means. Also thereâ€™s a substantial difference between your children being a ward of the state and your children being sold as property. </p>
<p>Taxation might be easier to stomach if you thought of it as an implied contract. You&#8217;re perfectly free not to pay taxes. All you have to do is renounce your citizenship and leave the country. I&#8217;ll admit that this is not a great option, but the option exists. Perhaps you&#8217;d like Canada or Mexico better? </p>
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		<title>By: tribal elder</title>
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		<dc:creator>tribal elder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We&#039;re chattel to the tax authorities. Incarcerate the tax non-payer; make his children wards of the State. Not quite selling them, but the State will exercise dominion and control over them, to the children&#039;s detriment.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Taxation is ultimately backed up with civil coercion, confiscation, apprehension (with use of DEADLY force a possibility) and incarceration.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re chattel to the tax authorities. Incarcerate the tax non-payer; make his children wards of the State. Not quite selling them, but the State will exercise dominion and control over them, to the children&#8217;s detriment.</p>
<p>Taxation is ultimately backed up with civil coercion, confiscation, apprehension (with use of DEADLY force a possibility) and incarceration.</p>
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