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		<title>By: markm</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/03/another_leftish.html/comment-page-1#comment-5125</link>
		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What Steve said. I think the public schools I went to (class of &#039;71) had a teacher to administrator ratio around 10:1, if you counted the &quot;counselors&quot; as administrators. AFAIK, colleges didn&#039;t have degree programs for school administrators through most of that period; the administrators were promoted from the best teachers, with very able secretaries doing most of the detail work so the principals, etc., spent most of their time on what they were definitely good at - dealing with kids and mentoring teachers. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(One cost of women&#039;s lib is you don&#039;t often get such good secretaries anymore; a woman with that kind of ability should be aiming to be the boss, not the boss&#039;s secretary.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Your private school must do a fraction of the paperwork a public school does, nowadays. The paperwork burden on public schools has multiplied amazingly - which is pretty normal for government agencies. I spent 11 years as a military serviceman and in defense contracting, and always, it was more important to have the paperwork right than actually to get something working. E.g., there was a flight simulator facility which hadn&#039;t been operational in a decade, but had passed every inspection with top marks - the paperwork showing why the thing couldn&#039;t be fixed was perfect! The military&#039;s slide into bureaucratic uselessness is periodically reversed by a war in which those that don&#039;t get something besides paperwork done are likely to die. Businesses can also fall into the paperwork trap, but then a more efficient competitor will destroy them. Other government agencies have no such limitations on how bad they can get - and when the politicians finally notice that they have become ineffective, the &quot;solution&quot; is usually more money for more bureaucrats, and to hope that somewhere in there will be someone that actually tries to advance the mission.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Steve said. I think the public schools I went to (class of &#8217;71) had a teacher to administrator ratio around 10:1, if you counted the &#8220;counselors&#8221; as administrators. AFAIK, colleges didn&#8217;t have degree programs for school administrators through most of that period; the administrators were promoted from the best teachers, with very able secretaries doing most of the detail work so the principals, etc., spent most of their time on what they were definitely good at &#8211; dealing with kids and mentoring teachers. </p>
<p>(One cost of women&#8217;s lib is you don&#8217;t often get such good secretaries anymore; a woman with that kind of ability should be aiming to be the boss, not the boss&#8217;s secretary.)</p>
<p>Your private school must do a fraction of the paperwork a public school does, nowadays. The paperwork burden on public schools has multiplied amazingly &#8211; which is pretty normal for government agencies. I spent 11 years as a military serviceman and in defense contracting, and always, it was more important to have the paperwork right than actually to get something working. E.g., there was a flight simulator facility which hadn&#8217;t been operational in a decade, but had passed every inspection with top marks &#8211; the paperwork showing why the thing couldn&#8217;t be fixed was perfect! The military&#8217;s slide into bureaucratic uselessness is periodically reversed by a war in which those that don&#8217;t get something besides paperwork done are likely to die. Businesses can also fall into the paperwork trap, but then a more efficient competitor will destroy them. Other government agencies have no such limitations on how bad they can get &#8211; and when the politicians finally notice that they have become ineffective, the &#8220;solution&#8221; is usually more money for more bureaucrats, and to hope that somewhere in there will be someone that actually tries to advance the mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/03/another_leftish.html/comment-page-1#comment-5124</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Back when I was in 5th grade, I had a classmate who wore a sweatshirt depicting a long line of people waiting in front of a hospital.  It said, &quot;Like waiting at the post office?  You&#039;ll love socialized health care!&quot;  I had no idea what it meant at the time.  I kind of doubt he did either.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when I was in 5th grade, I had a classmate who wore a sweatshirt depicting a long line of people waiting in front of a hospital.  It said, &#8220;Like waiting at the post office?  You&#8217;ll love socialized health care!&#8221;  I had no idea what it meant at the time.  I kind of doubt he did either.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The 1:15 ratio at your child&#039;s school is administrator:teacher, not administrator:student, right?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1:15 ratio at your child&#8217;s school is administrator:teacher, not administrator:student, right?</p>
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		<title>By: tribal elder</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/03/another_leftish.html/comment-page-1#comment-5122</link>
		<dc:creator>tribal elder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We are fortunate to have a single nationalized industry to serve as the model for national health care - the US Postal Service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Back when Mrs. Clinton sought to be our health czar, I was thinking, while I waited in a long line at the post office, what the US Nat&#039;l Health Service would look like.  I envisioned a long, winding line of my fellow citizens, in hospital gowns (some with ties missing) and those horrid paper slippers, each holding a specimen cup in their right hand and paperwork in their left, while clerks hired away from the Department of Motor Vehicles gave instructions in something that sounded like English, sort of.  At the head of the line was an electric sign, reading &quot;Wait here for next available doctor&quot; and which would flash window numbers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I suspect the signs are already in some government warehouse.  They&#039;re probably bilingual.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are fortunate to have a single nationalized industry to serve as the model for national health care &#8211; the US Postal Service.</p>
<p>Back when Mrs. Clinton sought to be our health czar, I was thinking, while I waited in a long line at the post office, what the US Nat&#8217;l Health Service would look like.  I envisioned a long, winding line of my fellow citizens, in hospital gowns (some with ties missing) and those horrid paper slippers, each holding a specimen cup in their right hand and paperwork in their left, while clerks hired away from the Department of Motor Vehicles gave instructions in something that sounded like English, sort of.  At the head of the line was an electric sign, reading &#8220;Wait here for next available doctor&#8221; and which would flash window numbers.</p>
<p>I suspect the signs are already in some government warehouse.  They&#8217;re probably bilingual.</p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
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		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[Troll, sorry. Can&#039;t help feeling sarcastic.] Talk about how socializing health care will kill people...Look at the runaway deathly impact of our socialized military (free education, housing, job training, guaranteed employment, health care, etc.) compared to the corruption-free effectiveness of the privatized mercenaries we fund in Iraq to the tune of only part of nearly $1billion per day. I&#039;ll take a single source Halliburton-type contract before universal health care any day. Or give me a nice Neil Bush-type NCLB government education curriculum contract. The Cunningham business model thoughtfully applied to health care might solve our problems, I&#039;d guess. Nothing Enron-style accounting wouldn&#039;t solve. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We need higher health care costs increasing at higher rates to create incentives for hospitals to deliver better service. Free enterprise says all we need to know. No more regs. No more oversight or other delays to efficiency. Accountability is a liberal plot. Fire all non-loyal US attorneys (those who don&#039;t understand their political Republican responsibilities in our unitary executive system) and torture our enemies. A war against terror justifies desperate measures, and health care issues, relatively speaking, are non-issues; best ignored.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Troll, sorry. Can't help feeling sarcastic.] Talk about how socializing health care will kill people&#8230;Look at the runaway deathly impact of our socialized military (free education, housing, job training, guaranteed employment, health care, etc.) compared to the corruption-free effectiveness of the privatized mercenaries we fund in Iraq to the tune of only part of nearly $1billion per day. I&#8217;ll take a single source Halliburton-type contract before universal health care any day. Or give me a nice Neil Bush-type NCLB government education curriculum contract. The Cunningham business model thoughtfully applied to health care might solve our problems, I&#8217;d guess. Nothing Enron-style accounting wouldn&#8217;t solve. </p>
<p>We need higher health care costs increasing at higher rates to create incentives for hospitals to deliver better service. Free enterprise says all we need to know. No more regs. No more oversight or other delays to efficiency. Accountability is a liberal plot. Fire all non-loyal US attorneys (those who don&#8217;t understand their political Republican responsibilities in our unitary executive system) and torture our enemies. A war against terror justifies desperate measures, and health care issues, relatively speaking, are non-issues; best ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: march</title>
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		<dc:creator>march</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Socializing health care will kill people just as socialized schools leave us more ignorant.  Only the rich will be able to get decent health care, outside the national system, of course.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socializing health care will kill people just as socialized schools leave us more ignorant.  Only the rich will be able to get decent health care, outside the national system, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Mesa EconoGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mesa EconoGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kevin Drum is one of the most economically ignorant people on the planet.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is simply a stupid statement:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;â€œIt&#039;s true that a national healthcare plan would almost certainly save money compared to our current Rube Goldberg systemâ€¦â€&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No, itâ€™s not.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Our health care system devolved to our current state because of increased government interference after WWII.  This interference has resulted in 1) increased inefficiency, 2) increased costs, and 3) increased Rube-Goldbergness.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Kevin Drumâ€™s answer is more of what caused the original problem.  This will result in even more of 1, 2, and 3.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Additionally, increased government interference (price fixing and â€œnegotiationâ€) would likely result in massive reduction in new products:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm1270.cfm &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Who is this Kevin Drum moron?  And why does he have a job?&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Drum is one of the most economically ignorant people on the planet.</p>
<p>This is simply a stupid statement:</p>
<p>â€œIt&#8217;s true that a national healthcare plan would almost certainly save money compared to our current Rube Goldberg systemâ€¦â€</p>
<p>No, itâ€™s not.</p>
<p>Our health care system devolved to our current state because of increased government interference after WWII.  This interference has resulted in 1) increased inefficiency, 2) increased costs, and 3) increased Rube-Goldbergness.  </p>
<p>Kevin Drumâ€™s answer is more of what caused the original problem.  This will result in even more of 1, 2, and 3.</p>
<p>Additionally, increased government interference (price fixing and â€œnegotiationâ€) would likely result in massive reduction in new products:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm1270.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm1270.cfm</a> </p>
<p>Who is this Kevin Drum moron?  And why does he have a job?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Jardine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Jardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A howler indeed. As a Canadian who can&#039;t remember the last time he had his own family doctor (unless you have &quot;connections&quot;, you have to hunt around for the least congested walk-in clinic and wait with the herd) I&#039;d just like to point out how awful it is to watch this Health Care New Deal unfold south of the border.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A howler indeed. As a Canadian who can&#8217;t remember the last time he had his own family doctor (unless you have &#8220;connections&#8221;, you have to hunt around for the least congested walk-in clinic and wait with the herd) I&#8217;d just like to point out how awful it is to watch this Health Care New Deal unfold south of the border.</p>
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		<title>By: James Howe</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Howe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Supporters of national health care seem to have an enormous blind spot to the negative consequences of having the government (taxpayers) pay the bill.  The simple fact is that when the Federal government starts paying the bills, health care will become even more politicized than it already is.  It won&#039;t be long before various &#039;health&#039; taxes or controls will be put in place in an attempt to get us all to live a healthier life style to help keep costs down.  If people think birth control and abortion issues are contentious now, wait until the government takes over.  Health care battles will rage over all sorts of medical procedures sides fight to cover/not cover aspects of health care that they deem important/wrong.  Efficiency will occur in much the same way that Mussolini made the trains run on time.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supporters of national health care seem to have an enormous blind spot to the negative consequences of having the government (taxpayers) pay the bill.  The simple fact is that when the Federal government starts paying the bills, health care will become even more politicized than it already is.  It won&#8217;t be long before various &#8216;health&#8217; taxes or controls will be put in place in an attempt to get us all to live a healthier life style to help keep costs down.  If people think birth control and abortion issues are contentious now, wait until the government takes over.  Health care battles will rage over all sorts of medical procedures sides fight to cover/not cover aspects of health care that they deem important/wrong.  Efficiency will occur in much the same way that Mussolini made the trains run on time.</p>
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