Comments on: The Next Milestone In Killing Fair Use http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/01/the_next_milest.html Dispatches from a Small Business Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:39:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: TCO http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/01/the_next_milest.html/comment-page-1#comment-4640 TCO Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:04:48 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/01/the_next_milest.html#comment-4640 <p>I think more chilling to property rights is the situation with patent law. Way too much gaming going on there, vice head-down, butt-up science research.</p> I think more chilling to property rights is the situation with patent law. Way too much gaming going on there, vice head-down, butt-up science research.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/01/the_next_milest.html/comment-page-1#comment-4639 Anonymous Sun, 04 Feb 2007 23:28:04 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/01/the_next_milest.html#comment-4639 <p>Why even be interested in Vista. Because of all the Vista fanfare a few months ago, I switched my OS to Ubuntu. This new "upgrade" is nothing more than kernel tweaking and some fancy graphics. Compare it to going from windows 95 to windows 98. Windows 95 was good to use until around year 2000, when developers started dropping support.</p> Why even be interested in Vista. Because of all the Vista fanfare a few months ago, I switched my OS to Ubuntu. This new “upgrade” is nothing more than kernel tweaking and some fancy graphics. Compare it to going from windows 95 to windows 98. Windows 95 was good to use until around year 2000, when developers started dropping support.

]]> By: Max Terry http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/01/the_next_milest.html/comment-page-1#comment-4638 Max Terry Fri, 02 Feb 2007 06:59:47 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/01/the_next_milest.html#comment-4638 <p>The best thing to do right now is to simply beg, borrow, steal, and share all the intellectual property and server space you can muster, give as much money to the artists (support concerts, downloadable indie releases, etc.), don't buy Vista (get a Mac! run Linux! stick with XP!), call your representatives, write the most inflammatory letters possible to members of the RIAA and MPAA, and simply do not give any money to anything with DRM.</p> <p>All the industry is doing right now is fucking themselves over. Remember, there will always be artists, there will always be audiences. Who needs the (or at least THESE) goddamn middlemen? What if bands simply posted on their websites that they are looking for "investments" for a new album. Once they get the money, it's theirs to spend how they will. Likewise, we would be free to listen to their music as we will. Free market meritocracy trumps lobbying corporatism. Look at Google versus Microsoft recently...</p> The best thing to do right now is to simply beg, borrow, steal, and share all the intellectual property and server space you can muster, give as much money to the artists (support concerts, downloadable indie releases, etc.), don’t buy Vista (get a Mac! run Linux! stick with XP!), call your representatives, write the most inflammatory letters possible to members of the RIAA and MPAA, and simply do not give any money to anything with DRM.

All the industry is doing right now is fucking themselves over. Remember, there will always be artists, there will always be audiences. Who needs the (or at least THESE) goddamn middlemen? What if bands simply posted on their websites that they are looking for “investments” for a new album. Once they get the money, it’s theirs to spend how they will. Likewise, we would be free to listen to their music as we will. Free market meritocracy trumps lobbying corporatism. Look at Google versus Microsoft recently…

]]> By: Someone In their Grave http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/01/the_next_milest.html/comment-page-1#comment-4637 Someone In their Grave Wed, 31 Jan 2007 01:51:19 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/01/the_next_milest.html#comment-4637 <p>The Truth is a Lonely life, and Trust No-one, Not even me, or ones-self. The good will die and Evil will win in this world. </p> <p>Know this, That living a truthful life and having freedom is not a FUN and Exciting life.. it is again a lonely and dying one...</p> <p>You will not find those of the truth in a mansion but in their Graves...</p> The Truth is a Lonely life, and Trust No-one, Not even me, or ones-self. The good will die and Evil will win in this world.

Know this, That living a truthful life and having freedom is not a FUN and Exciting life.. it is again a lonely and dying one…

You will not find those of the truth in a mansion but in their Graves…

]]> By: Tim Fowler http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/01/the_next_milest.html/comment-page-1#comment-4636 Tim Fowler Wed, 31 Jan 2007 01:43:46 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/01/the_next_milest.html#comment-4636 <p>RE: "The same situation has prevailed with digital music files - increasingly recording companies are taking the position that if you want a digital file on both your iPod and your home system, you need to buy two copies."</p> <p> Is that really true? You might have to buy different copies for different types of players, but usually you have the rights to have a copy on your PC and a copy on a player.</p> RE: “The same situation has prevailed with digital music files – increasingly recording companies are taking the position that if you want a digital file on both your iPod and your home system, you need to buy two copies.”

Is that really true? You might have to buy different copies for different types of players, but usually you have the rights to have a copy on your PC and a copy on a player.

]]> By: T J Sawyer http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/01/the_next_milest.html/comment-page-1#comment-4635 T J Sawyer Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:56:51 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/01/the_next_milest.html#comment-4635 <p>I agree 100% with you on the seriousness of the problem. But the real source of the problem is not Microsoft. It is you - and me. We allowed the people we send to Washington to pass the current Digital Copyright law. People on HD forums were complaining about this issue many years ago. </p> <p>We refuse to get involved when it counts because:<br /> 1. We thinks it doesn't matter to us.<br /> 2. We don't have time.<br /> 3. We claim it is too complex.</p> <p>Oddly enough the entertainment industry didn't think these things.</p> <p>We end up with exactly what we deserve. These guys work for us, let's supervise them. </p> I agree 100% with you on the seriousness of the problem. But the real source of the problem is not Microsoft. It is you – and me. We allowed the people we send to Washington to pass the current Digital Copyright law. People on HD forums were complaining about this issue many years ago.

We refuse to get involved when it counts because:
1. We thinks it doesn’t matter to us.
2. We don’t have time.
3. We claim it is too complex.

Oddly enough the entertainment industry didn’t think these things.

We end up with exactly what we deserve. These guys work for us, let’s supervise them.

]]> By: Valens342 http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/01/the_next_milest.html/comment-page-1#comment-4634 Valens342 Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:31:23 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/01/the_next_milest.html#comment-4634 <p>Not nearly as chilling as 1st world economies suffering the effects of the elimination of intellectual property rights, and all the attendant problems. I don't see a free for all being a solution at all. It provides a temporary bonanza for emergind economies, and crushes the new growth areas that developed ones are increasingly dependent on, and I am not at all sure that this would provide a boon to the software or media world, other than sheer volume. I suspect that the solution does lie in a redo of copywright and patent law, and the policing of such, but not in their watering down or effective removal. Alas, I can think of no easy answer to the problem.</p> Not nearly as chilling as 1st world economies suffering the effects of the elimination of intellectual property rights, and all the attendant problems. I don’t see a free for all being a solution at all. It provides a temporary bonanza for emergind economies, and crushes the new growth areas that developed ones are increasingly dependent on, and I am not at all sure that this would provide a boon to the software or media world, other than sheer volume. I suspect that the solution does lie in a redo of copywright and patent law, and the policing of such, but not in their watering down or effective removal. Alas, I can think of no easy answer to the problem.

]]> By: Lex Spoon http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/01/the_next_milest.html/comment-page-1#comment-4633 Lex Spoon Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:27:14 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/01/the_next_milest.html#comment-4633 <p>I agree it is a growing problem. We need to redesign copyright law so that it does not fundamentally erode our liberties. The original strategy was that one-off reproduction was too expensive for people to bother with, and mass-scale reproduction is inevitably visible to the police. Nowadays one-off reproduction is cheap, and so the only way to make copyright work is to be very intrusive into our private lives. It is as if everybody had a money-printing machine and were told not to use it; imagine the level of policing you need to make sure nobody turns their machine on!</p> <p>Valens, it is an important question as more of the world produces IP. I suspect, however, that we are much better off embracing law that does not fundamentally erode our individual freedoms and require a large policing effort. Changing or eliminating copyright would mean that Microsoft Windows and The Matrix might not be profitable, and I honestly lament that. However, we would still have lots of software made, and lots of film, and we would also have less policing into our personal computers. It just seems better to align our laws with the way today's technology works.</p> <p>Keep in mind the next step, guys. Now that Vista includes this drek, Microsoft is going to lobby for this stuff to be a legal mandate. If they win, it will become illegal to run an operating system without DRM. Is that not a chilling enough reason to reconsider how copyright works?</p> <p>More here:</p> <p><a href="http://www.lexspoon.org/blog/digital-copyright.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lexspoon.org/blog/digital-copyright.html</a></p> I agree it is a growing problem. We need to redesign copyright law so that it does not fundamentally erode our liberties. The original strategy was that one-off reproduction was too expensive for people to bother with, and mass-scale reproduction is inevitably visible to the police. Nowadays one-off reproduction is cheap, and so the only way to make copyright work is to be very intrusive into our private lives. It is as if everybody had a money-printing machine and were told not to use it; imagine the level of policing you need to make sure nobody turns their machine on!

Valens, it is an important question as more of the world produces IP. I suspect, however, that we are much better off embracing law that does not fundamentally erode our individual freedoms and require a large policing effort. Changing or eliminating copyright would mean that Microsoft Windows and The Matrix might not be profitable, and I honestly lament that. However, we would still have lots of software made, and lots of film, and we would also have less policing into our personal computers. It just seems better to align our laws with the way today’s technology works.

Keep in mind the next step, guys. Now that Vista includes this drek, Microsoft is going to lobby for this stuff to be a legal mandate. If they win, it will become illegal to run an operating system without DRM. Is that not a chilling enough reason to reconsider how copyright works?

More here:

http://www.lexspoon.org/blog/digital-copyright.html

]]> By: Brad Warbiany http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/01/the_next_milest.html/comment-page-1#comment-4632 Brad Warbiany Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:07:09 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/01/the_next_milest.html#comment-4632 <p>So what's the over/under on hackers breaking the DRM code? 45 days from release, or will they figure it out before release even happens?</p> <p>Like those old "copy-protected" CD's, that all you needed was a black marker around the edge to defeat.</p> So what’s the over/under on hackers breaking the DRM code? 45 days from release, or will they figure it out before release even happens?

Like those old “copy-protected” CD’s, that all you needed was a black marker around the edge to defeat.

]]> By: Rob http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/01/the_next_milest.html/comment-page-1#comment-4631 Rob Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:56:09 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2007/01/the_next_milest.html#comment-4631 <p>Vista seems to be looking more and more like ME was to 98. I'm not so sure I want to jump on Vista bandwagon yet, the main reason being DRM. While Vista's security features are great for the corporate world (especially banks), I'm not sure what improvements the "power user" will gain from Vista.</p> <p>Could "DRM injected Windows XP" (aka Vista) lead to the unraveling of Microsoft, or at least give room for more competition (ie. Ubuntu) ?</p> Vista seems to be looking more and more like ME was to 98. I’m not so sure I want to jump on Vista bandwagon yet, the main reason being DRM. While Vista’s security features are great for the corporate world (especially banks), I’m not sure what improvements the “power user” will gain from Vista.

Could “DRM injected Windows XP” (aka Vista) lead to the unraveling of Microsoft, or at least give room for more competition (ie. Ubuntu) ?

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