Comments on: Nativists in their Own Words

By: stew

stew — Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:15:46 +0000

“They are here to work” mantra about illegals is also nonsense and needs to be amended to say “create mahem, rape and murder.” Need some examples? Check out Immigration’s Human Cost http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/ to see how those nice, hardworking house painters and landscapers destroy lives.

By: stew

stew — Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:15:44 +0000

By: Jim Collins

Jim Collins — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:15:50 +0000

"The "follow the rules" mantra is nonsense - the rules are arbitrary and capricious, and the body that hands them out (the US government) has no moral authority to make them in the first place. If a private property owner in the US has a job for an immigrant, and property for that immigrant to live on, what business is it of the US government's to get involved in a transaction between consenting adults?"

Wasn't this how indentured servitude got started? If you think that it can't happen do a search on how some foreign AuPairs and Nannys are treated.

By: Joshua W. Burton

Joshua W. Burton — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 05:33:56 +0000

If a private property owner in the US has a job for an immigrant, and property for that immigrant to live on, what business is it of the US government's to get involved in a transaction between consenting adults?

Before or after 1808?

By: Jody

Jody — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:59:44 +0000

TJIC: the economic activity crossed borders

By: TJIC

TJIC — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:06:03 +0000

The “follow the rules” mantra is nonsense – the rules are arbitrary and capricious, and the body that hands them out (the US government) has no moral authority to make them in the first place. If a private property owner in the US has a job for an immigrant, and property for that immigrant to live on, what business is it of the US government’s to get involved in a transaction between consenting adults?

By: Rob

Rob — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:57:19 +0000

Naw. I'll say that the argument presented was right in the past. Not that everyone was a problem, but there were (are) problems and they bore (bear) addressing.

Today? H1B visas. Do they cause wage depression? You bet your nether end. I'm in the middle of it.

The real difficulty is in lumping illegal folks in with those whose use legal means to enter. Lodge was speaking to controlled immigration, not the whacked out border crossing we have going now.

Yes, Angel Island and Ellis Island should probably be revisited as Point Of Entry.

Start with real visas and real tracking of folks with visas (they are not citizens, they can be tracked). When somebody overstays their visa, automatic arrest warrant, and the folks to make those arrests. Oh yeah and congress needs to pass an immigration provision that assumes malfeasance when an overstay occurs -> instant deportation, not catch and release.

It is Our country, Our "club" We make the rules.

By: M1EK

M1EK — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:50:36 +0000

Exactly. Granted, the “rules” allowed for a lot more immigration, proportionally, back then; and it was a lot harder to get here illegally, but that’s a key difference that none of the open-borders folks want to face up to.

By: Doug Murray

Doug Murray — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:42:22 +0000

The difference is that the bashing usually includes the word "illegal" and I hear it from immigrants as well as natives. Mostly European immigrants who followed the rules like most of our grandparents and feel cheated if others don't have to.

I agree that the rules need to change to make immigration easier. But it's like the argument against the "living" constitution: when the times no longer fit the law you don't just ignore it or say it means something different now, you change it. Until then, you follow it.