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		<title>By: MesaEconoGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2006/08/more_zero_sum_e.html/comment-page-1#comment-3600</link>
		<dc:creator>MesaEconoGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kevin Drum commits the exact same economic error that the New Dealers did - just raise wages (above market level), and everything will be fine:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;â€œFocus government policy like a laser on improving the wages of the middle class, and reductions in income inequality will follow.â€&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No, they probably wonâ€™t, and if we learned anything from the Depression, itâ€™s how not to economically â€œfixâ€ things using massive government intrusion in markets (labor and otherwise).  The likely outcome of any â€œlaser focus,â€ i.e. artificial increase, on wages is increased displacement of workers at current wage levels, and probably increased unemployment.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Absent from the entire discussion, at least the left-wing, hype-driven, pseudo-economic journalism outlets, is the fact that inflation has been extraordinarily low until recently.  Maybe â€œmiddle classâ€ (and lower level) wages havenâ€™t kept pace with inflation, but theyâ€™re probably not far behind, since inflation has been practically nonexistent over the past 5 years.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I havenâ€™t heard Krugman yelling that wages have been dropping, but he may have said something that stupid and I just missed it.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Drum commits the exact same economic error that the New Dealers did &#8211; just raise wages (above market level), and everything will be fine:</p>
<p>â€œFocus government policy like a laser on improving the wages of the middle class, and reductions in income inequality will follow.â€</p>
<p>No, they probably wonâ€™t, and if we learned anything from the Depression, itâ€™s how not to economically â€œfixâ€ things using massive government intrusion in markets (labor and otherwise).  The likely outcome of any â€œlaser focus,â€ i.e. artificial increase, on wages is increased displacement of workers at current wage levels, and probably increased unemployment.</p>
<p>Absent from the entire discussion, at least the left-wing, hype-driven, pseudo-economic journalism outlets, is the fact that inflation has been extraordinarily low until recently.  Maybe â€œmiddle classâ€ (and lower level) wages havenâ€™t kept pace with inflation, but theyâ€™re probably not far behind, since inflation has been practically nonexistent over the past 5 years.</p>
<p>I havenâ€™t heard Krugman yelling that wages have been dropping, but he may have said something that stupid and I just missed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Annointed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Annointed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;These policies don&#039;t need to actually help the middle class and poor. They only need to help the Kevin Drumms of the world get writing gigs and help line the pockets of our moral betters in the political and accedemic industries.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These policies don&#8217;t need to actually help the middle class and poor. They only need to help the Kevin Drumms of the world get writing gigs and help line the pockets of our moral betters in the political and accedemic industries.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very very few people today aren&#039;t making way more money than they were years ago. So why the constant crying about how &quot;real&quot; wages have &quot;stagnated&quot;? Because of inflation. That same paycheck buys less stuff (supposedly). (I haven&#039;t seen it. The only categories of my budget where X nominal dollars won&#039;t buy more today than it would have 10 years ago are energy and housing. But then, my budget is dominated by categories that respond really well to a combination of aggressive disintermediation and Moore&#039;s Law, so maybe I&#039;m just weird.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But given that the whole reason all our raises are supposedly illusory is because of inflation, what kind of idiot thinks that allowing inflation to become even BIGGER would be a GOOD thing for the middle class?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very very few people today aren&#8217;t making way more money than they were years ago. So why the constant crying about how &#8220;real&#8221; wages have &#8220;stagnated&#8221;? Because of inflation. That same paycheck buys less stuff (supposedly). (I haven&#8217;t seen it. The only categories of my budget where X nominal dollars won&#8217;t buy more today than it would have 10 years ago are energy and housing. But then, my budget is dominated by categories that respond really well to a combination of aggressive disintermediation and Moore&#8217;s Law, so maybe I&#8217;m just weird.)</p>
<p>But given that the whole reason all our raises are supposedly illusory is because of inflation, what kind of idiot thinks that allowing inflation to become even BIGGER would be a GOOD thing for the middle class?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Yeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Yeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I call this kind of thinking Dungeons &amp; Dragons economics.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In D&amp;D, there are neat little absolute rules for everything.  Monsters have X offensive abilities, Y defenses, and Z loot.  Once you get so many points, you advance a level.  If you get poisoned, if you make your saving throw, you live.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, this is totally unrealistic.  In real life, few things are absolute.  For every action, there is a reaction.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People who call for the government to increase wages seem to believe that the great Dungeon Master in the White House can simply decree that from now on, red dragons will have 20,000 gold pieces of treasure instead of 10,000, without any other prices changing.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call this kind of thinking Dungeons &#038; Dragons economics.</p>
<p>In D&#038;D, there are neat little absolute rules for everything.  Monsters have X offensive abilities, Y defenses, and Z loot.  Once you get so many points, you advance a level.  If you get poisoned, if you make your saving throw, you live.</p>
<p>Of course, this is totally unrealistic.  In real life, few things are absolute.  For every action, there is a reaction.</p>
<p>People who call for the government to increase wages seem to believe that the great Dungeon Master in the White House can simply decree that from now on, red dragons will have 20,000 gold pieces of treasure instead of 10,000, without any other prices changing.</p>
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		<title>By: smilerz</title>
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		<dc:creator>smilerz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All of the benefits of a free market without any of the risks - sounds a lot like France and Germany, though they aren&#039;t doing too well these days.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Progress inherently takes risk, its scary, but necessary.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the benefits of a free market without any of the risks &#8211; sounds a lot like France and Germany, though they aren&#8217;t doing too well these days.  </p>
<p>Progress inherently takes risk, its scary, but necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;What&#039;s bizarre about all of these statements is it treats wealth, and in this case specifically income growth, like a phenomena that is independent of individuals and their actions.  They treat income growth like it is a natural spring bubbling up from the ground, and a few piggy people have staked out places by the well and take all the water before the rest of us can get any.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A reading:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;In political economy, one may observe the attempt to study and devise social systems without reference to man.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Political economy was, in effect, a science starting in midstream: it observed that men were producing and trading, it took it for granted that they had always done so and always would -- it accepted this fact as the given, requiring no further consideration -- and it addressed itself to the problem of how to devise the best way for the &#039;community&#039; to dispose of human effort.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Ayn Rand -- 1965)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s bizarre about all of these statements is it treats wealth, and in this case specifically income growth, like a phenomena that is independent of individuals and their actions.  They treat income growth like it is a natural spring bubbling up from the ground, and a few piggy people have staked out places by the well and take all the water before the rest of us can get any.&#8221;</p>
<p>A reading:</p>
<p>&#8220;In political economy, one may observe the attempt to study and devise social systems without reference to man.</p>
<p>Political economy was, in effect, a science starting in midstream: it observed that men were producing and trading, it took it for granted that they had always done so and always would &#8212; it accepted this fact as the given, requiring no further consideration &#8212; and it addressed itself to the problem of how to devise the best way for the &#8216;community&#8217; to dispose of human effort.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Ayn Rand &#8212; 1965)</p>
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		<title>By: unknown</title>
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		<dc:creator>unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From stock market perspective economy is zero-sum.&lt;br /&gt;
From entrepreneur/venture capital perspective wealth creation is &#039;not&#039; zero-sum&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From stock market perspective economy is zero-sum.<br />
From entrepreneur/venture capital perspective wealth creation is &#8216;not&#8217; zero-sum</p>
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