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		<title>By: greeny</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2006/07/a_skeptics_prim.html/comment-page-1#comment-3479</link>
		<dc:creator>greeny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The thing that convinces me about there being negative feedback not positive feedback looks is that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and the seas have never boiled or totally frozen.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why is this, especially as the sun is 40% warmer than back then.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that convinces me about there being negative feedback not positive feedback looks is that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and the seas have never boiled or totally frozen.</p>
<p>Why is this, especially as the sun is 40% warmer than back then.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Erren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Erren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;The reason is that the effect of CO2 concentration on global temperature is logarithmic.  This means that increasing concentrations of CO2 have diminishing returns on temperature. For example, if the first doubling of CO2 concentration raises temperatures by a degree, then the next doubling may only raise it by a tenths of a degree.  This is because CO2 only absorbs sunlight and energy in certain frequency bands and this ability to absorb energy gets saturated, much like a pot of water can only dissolve so much salt before it is saturated.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s wrong. A logarithmic relationship means than &lt;b&gt;every&lt;/b&gt; doubling gives the same result.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The reason is that the effect of CO2 concentration on global temperature is logarithmic.  This means that increasing concentrations of CO2 have diminishing returns on temperature. For example, if the first doubling of CO2 concentration raises temperatures by a degree, then the next doubling may only raise it by a tenths of a degree.  This is because CO2 only absorbs sunlight and energy in certain frequency bands and this ability to absorb energy gets saturated, much like a pot of water can only dissolve so much salt before it is saturated.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s wrong. A logarithmic relationship means than <b>every</b> doubling gives the same result.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Romanoff</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2006/07/a_skeptics_prim.html/comment-page-1#comment-3477</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Romanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can you please post this on your Blog? From Edward Romanoff ..&lt;br /&gt;
Re: Before, after and the next 9/11 … &lt;br /&gt;
As a young man, growing up in Siberia setting fires on thawing permafrost was a favorite past-time. Then, little did I know, these flames were burning methane and I had stumbled on to a contribution to Global Warming, an indication of how the world could end. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the U.S., I joined the Preventech Foundation the developers of technologies preventing Global Warming. &lt;br /&gt;
We submitted these technologies to the authorities, but received no response. Finally, the article in Fresno Bee by Seth Borenstein AP (09/07/06) might convince the Public, that there is no escape from Global Warming. So, we have submitted this technology again! As you may have guessed – no response! History repeats itself – for example, the technology of ‘motioncodes’ which would makes the 9/11 terrorists attack impossible, was submitted one year before 9/11, but again no response! &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Actually the scientists receive an automatic electronic form letter, saying “Thank you, we would contact you” – but they never did. Preventive technologies were submitted by different groups of scientists independently from different parts of the world. Ignoring modern technology is the reason why 9/11 did happened.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It appears that the U.S. may not necessarily be destroyed by environmental disaster or by terrorists. Americans could destroy themselves! The mystery – why have Americans decided to self-destruct? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This time we are appealing directly to all citizens. We are looking for a producer to make the multimedia phenomena ‘THE END OF THE LAST EMPIRE’ movie. It would demonstrate technology preventing the END. &lt;br /&gt;
The ‘all-in-one’ – drama, horror, suspense and education tool for children, teaching that crime and terrorism will no longer be possible. To avoid the shock and sensationalism the movie will be released as ‘science fiction.’ Once the movie is released, this preventive technology would become every day commodity. Please request for Motion Science Memorandum – the listing of preventive motion devices and systems.   &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dr. Edward Romanoff&lt;br /&gt;
Preventech Foundation&lt;br /&gt;
motioncodes@yahoo.com &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you please post this on your Blog? From Edward Romanoff ..<br />
Re: Before, after and the next 9/11 … <br />
As a young man, growing up in Siberia setting fires on thawing permafrost was a favorite past-time. Then, little did I know, these flames were burning methane and I had stumbled on to a contribution to Global Warming, an indication of how the world could end. </p>
<p>In the U.S., I joined the Preventech Foundation the developers of technologies preventing Global Warming. <br />
We submitted these technologies to the authorities, but received no response. Finally, the article in Fresno Bee by Seth Borenstein AP (09/07/06) might convince the Public, that there is no escape from Global Warming. So, we have submitted this technology again! As you may have guessed – no response! History repeats itself – for example, the technology of ‘motioncodes’ which would makes the 9/11 terrorists attack impossible, was submitted one year before 9/11, but again no response! </p>
<p>Actually the scientists receive an automatic electronic form letter, saying “Thank you, we would contact you” – but they never did. Preventive technologies were submitted by different groups of scientists independently from different parts of the world. Ignoring modern technology is the reason why 9/11 did happened.  </p>
<p>It appears that the U.S. may not necessarily be destroyed by environmental disaster or by terrorists. Americans could destroy themselves! The mystery – why have Americans decided to self-destruct? </p>
<p>This time we are appealing directly to all citizens. We are looking for a producer to make the multimedia phenomena ‘THE END OF THE LAST EMPIRE’ movie. It would demonstrate technology preventing the END. <br />
The ‘all-in-one’ – drama, horror, suspense and education tool for children, teaching that crime and terrorism will no longer be possible. To avoid the shock and sensationalism the movie will be released as ‘science fiction.’ Once the movie is released, this preventive technology would become every day commodity. Please request for Motion Science Memorandum – the listing of preventive motion devices and systems.   </p>
<p>Dr. Edward Romanoff<br />
Preventech Foundation<br />
<a href="mailto:motioncodes@yahoo.com">motioncodes@yahoo.com</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Black Sal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Sal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 00:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would like to point out a few things that lead to contention.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;a) There is a solar constant.  Check it out on Wikipedia.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;b) There is also solar radiation&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;c) There is also solar variation&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;d) There is also variation of solar radiation from atmospheric &#039;stuff&#039;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, it&#039;s kinda complex.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The chart showing temperature through the ages is a combination of data.  Check here for the various data in easy chart form: http://www.inkstain.net/fleck/snaps/mann.gif&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One of the reasons for doubt here is that it was thought that the Medieval Warm Period was global.  It was mostly a regional or hemispheric effect, as we now know.  The later &#039;Little Ice Age&#039; was global in effect and some of the effect was due to volcanic action.  There is a great deal of talk about the Thames freezing every year.  It actually froze about every 25 years on average and didn&#039;t freeze at all in London after the supports on London Bridge were altered.  The little ice age was cold in parts but not as glacial as you might have been led to believe.  And some of you have been easily led.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The moral of my story is, be skeptical.  Whatever you hear, check it out.  The devil is in the details.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for the present, the global average is the best way to put the whole thing together but doesn&#039;t tell it like it is.  All the components tell the story.  And they are telling us that the planet is warming, and that CO2 is the major part, and the only part that we have any say over.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And please don&#039;t take fiction for science.  You&#039;ll be believing in time travel next.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Black Sal&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to point out a few things that lead to contention.</p>
<p>a) There is a solar constant.  Check it out on Wikipedia.</p>
<p>b) There is also solar radiation</p>
<p>c) There is also solar variation</p>
<p>d) There is also variation of solar radiation from atmospheric &#8217;stuff&#8217;</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s kinda complex.</p>
<p>The chart showing temperature through the ages is a combination of data.  Check here for the various data in easy chart form: <a href="http://www.inkstain.net/fleck/snaps/mann.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.inkstain.net/fleck/snaps/mann.gif</a></p>
<p>One of the reasons for doubt here is that it was thought that the Medieval Warm Period was global.  It was mostly a regional or hemispheric effect, as we now know.  The later &#8216;Little Ice Age&#8217; was global in effect and some of the effect was due to volcanic action.  There is a great deal of talk about the Thames freezing every year.  It actually froze about every 25 years on average and didn&#8217;t freeze at all in London after the supports on London Bridge were altered.  The little ice age was cold in parts but not as glacial as you might have been led to believe.  And some of you have been easily led.</p>
<p>The moral of my story is, be skeptical.  Whatever you hear, check it out.  The devil is in the details.</p>
<p>As for the present, the global average is the best way to put the whole thing together but doesn&#8217;t tell it like it is.  All the components tell the story.  And they are telling us that the planet is warming, and that CO2 is the major part, and the only part that we have any say over.  </p>
<p>And please don&#8217;t take fiction for science.  You&#8217;ll be believing in time travel next.</p>
<p>Black Sal</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Alright I give up. Why? [is it hotter in July than June 21]&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Heat capacity.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The really short (and Electrical Engineeringish, sorry I&#039;m a PhD EE, and that&#039;s just how I think) version is capacitance induces a phase shift (lag) to a sinusoidal signal. Annually, average heat received from the sun is a sinusoidal signal (the exact amplitude/phase of that signal varies by location). Because of heat capacitance of the ground , the air, and water, the Earth has a pretty high heat capacitance which induces a pretty big phase shift.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s another notable effect of capacitance (both electrical and heat). This effect explains why it gets hotter (and colder) in the desert than the coast and more relevantly why the temperature of the earth will lag a step increase in the energy output of the sun. This effect is why &quot;the irradiance trend is flat (or very slightly decreasing) over the last fifty years, which is when the temperature has climbed out of the error band for what we know historically.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Though I will point out that it cooled in the 70s.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright I give up. Why? [is it hotter in July than June 21]</p>
<p>Heat capacity.</p>
<p>The really short (and Electrical Engineeringish, sorry I&#8217;m a PhD EE, and that&#8217;s just how I think) version is capacitance induces a phase shift (lag) to a sinusoidal signal. Annually, average heat received from the sun is a sinusoidal signal (the exact amplitude/phase of that signal varies by location). Because of heat capacitance of the ground , the air, and water, the Earth has a pretty high heat capacitance which induces a pretty big phase shift.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another notable effect of capacitance (both electrical and heat). This effect explains why it gets hotter (and colder) in the desert than the coast and more relevantly why the temperature of the earth will lag a step increase in the energy output of the sun. This effect is why &#8220;the irradiance trend is flat (or very slightly decreasing) over the last fifty years, which is when the temperature has climbed out of the error band for what we know historically.&#8221;</p>
<p>Though I will point out that it cooled in the 70s.</p>
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		<title>By: futuregeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>futuregeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;arakyd: why is it hotter from mid July to early August than in the third week of June? why is it colder from mid January to early February than in the third week of December?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Alright I give up.  Why?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;arakyd: why is it hotter from mid July to early August than in the third week of June? why is it colder from mid January to early February than in the third week of December?&#8221;</p>
<p>Alright I give up.  Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Porkopolis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Porkopolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;More evidence of global warming...but probably not where radical environmentalist expected it: http://porkopolis.blogspot.com/2006/05/more-evidence-of-global-warmingbut.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More evidence of global warming&#8230;but probably not where radical environmentalist expected it: <a href="http://porkopolis.blogspot.com/2006/05/more-evidence-of-global-warmingbut.html" rel="nofollow">http://porkopolis.blogspot.com/2006/05/more-evidence-of-global-warmingbut.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;arakyd: why is it hotter from mid July to early August than in the third week of June? why is it colder from mid January to early February than in the third week of December?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>arakyd: why is it hotter from mid July to early August than in the third week of June? why is it colder from mid January to early February than in the third week of December?</p>
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		<title>By: Noumenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noumenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s a Business Week article saying Wall Street is worried that nuclear power is uneconomical, and would rather place its bets on ethanol, wind power, and solar.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2006/tc20060628_463853.htm?chan=globalbiz_asia_investing&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a Business Week article saying Wall Street is worried that nuclear power is uneconomical, and would rather place its bets on ethanol, wind power, and solar.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2006/tc20060628_463853.htm?chan=globalbiz_asia_investing" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2006/tc20060628_463853.htm?chan=globalbiz_asia_investing</a></p>
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		<title>By: Double Blind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Double Blind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Coyote on Global Warming&lt;/strong&gt;

This is a really good article from the Coyote Blog on things to consider about global warming.  He writes something that I would never have the patience to do myself.
For many years now Ive been increasingly skeptical of all the doom an...

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<p>This is a really good article from the Coyote Blog on things to consider about global warming.  He writes something that I would never have the patience to do myself.<br />
For many years now Ive been increasingly skeptical of all the doom an&#8230;</p>
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