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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 02:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Matthew &amp; others: there are some good papers on why different gasoline retailers often show the same price even when they are in hypercompetitive environments. In some markets with high consumer price sensitivity (e.g., ex-urban Canada) anecdotal evidence indicates that a one cent price disparity can mean losing 50% or more of your volume within a few hours, so the windows where prices are not matched are very short and most consumers see only a single price. The dynamics of the game mean that prices ratchet down slowly as retailers compete (but most consumers just see a single price at any one time) and then at some point margins have been cut too low and a fast restoration occurs (one leader resets to a new, higher margin). Nobody notices the slow decay but consumers are very aware of the fast restoration.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Because consumers are so sensitive to the price of gasoline it makes an excellent loss leader - what other product could a supermarket draw so many customers with by discounting 40 cents off of a total purchase? Customers are already trained to scan the price signs out on the curb for the lowest price in town. Thus big retailers could theoretically sell at zero (or negative) margin and make it up on lift on in-store items.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The upshot of these two phenomenon (perceived collusion during hypercompetition and the efficiency of some business models at zero gasoline margin)have led over a dozen states and provinces to pass minimum price laws that prevent discounting gasoline below a certain positive margin, often calculated to keep efficient independent service stations in business.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Some references:&lt;br /&gt;
http://econ-www.mit.edu/about/download_pdf.php?id=12&lt;br /&gt;
http://economics.ca/2006/papers/0571.pdf&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew &#038; others: there are some good papers on why different gasoline retailers often show the same price even when they are in hypercompetitive environments. In some markets with high consumer price sensitivity (e.g., ex-urban Canada) anecdotal evidence indicates that a one cent price disparity can mean losing 50% or more of your volume within a few hours, so the windows where prices are not matched are very short and most consumers see only a single price. The dynamics of the game mean that prices ratchet down slowly as retailers compete (but most consumers just see a single price at any one time) and then at some point margins have been cut too low and a fast restoration occurs (one leader resets to a new, higher margin). Nobody notices the slow decay but consumers are very aware of the fast restoration.</p>
<p>Because consumers are so sensitive to the price of gasoline it makes an excellent loss leader &#8211; what other product could a supermarket draw so many customers with by discounting 40 cents off of a total purchase? Customers are already trained to scan the price signs out on the curb for the lowest price in town. Thus big retailers could theoretically sell at zero (or negative) margin and make it up on lift on in-store items.</p>
<p>The upshot of these two phenomenon (perceived collusion during hypercompetition and the efficiency of some business models at zero gasoline margin)have led over a dozen states and provinces to pass minimum price laws that prevent discounting gasoline below a certain positive margin, often calculated to keep efficient independent service stations in business.</p>
<p>Some references:<br />
<a href="http://econ-www.mit.edu/about/download_pdf.php?id=12" rel="nofollow">http://econ-www.mit.edu/about/download_pdf.php?id=12</a><br />
<a href="http://economics.ca/2006/papers/0571.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://economics.ca/2006/papers/0571.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 12:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m utterly dumbfounded at Matthew&#039;s &quot;I&#039;ve never driven through a block of gas stations and seen competitive pricing.&quot;  Where the hell does he drive?  He&#039;s never pulled into a gas station and then realized the place across the street was cheaper?  I thought that was a universal human experience.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m utterly dumbfounded at Matthew&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;ve never driven through a block of gas stations and seen competitive pricing.&#8221;  Where the hell does he drive?  He&#8217;s never pulled into a gas station and then realized the place across the street was cheaper?  I thought that was a universal human experience.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnDewey</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnDewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 22:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, Matthew, but I just don&#039;t see how stations matching the posted prices of other stations can possibly appear to you as &quot;planned gouging&quot;.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What exactly is &quot;price-gouging&quot; anyway?  Is it charging as much as you can for the product you sell?  Isn&#039;t that what we all do when we sell our homes?  Isn&#039;t that what supermarkets do and restaurants do and E-Bay merchants do?  I work for an airline, and I&#039;m positive airlines sell their product for as much as they can.  Why is it suddenly &quot;price-gouging&quot; when a gasoline station does exactly what everyone else does?   &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Matthew, but I just don&#8217;t see how stations matching the posted prices of other stations can possibly appear to you as &#8220;planned gouging&#8221;.  </p>
<p>What exactly is &#8220;price-gouging&#8221; anyway?  Is it charging as much as you can for the product you sell?  Isn&#8217;t that what we all do when we sell our homes?  Isn&#8217;t that what supermarkets do and restaurants do and E-Bay merchants do?  I work for an airline, and I&#8217;m positive airlines sell their product for as much as they can.  Why is it suddenly &#8220;price-gouging&#8221; when a gasoline station does exactly what everyone else does?   </p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 19:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well I certainly don&#039;t think companies are colluding, so I know price competition takes place.  But we just don&#039;t see it as with other consumer goods.  I know that there are windows where one gas station has 1 cent lower prices than the 4 other stations, but that window is so small that even though I fill up 3 times per 2 weeks I can&#039;t remember the last time I was lucky enough to be around during that short window.  So I can understand why consumers are suspicious with what appears on the surface as planned gouging.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I certainly don&#8217;t think companies are colluding, so I know price competition takes place.  But we just don&#8217;t see it as with other consumer goods.  I know that there are windows where one gas station has 1 cent lower prices than the 4 other stations, but that window is so small that even though I fill up 3 times per 2 weeks I can&#8217;t remember the last time I was lucky enough to be around during that short window.  So I can understand why consumers are suspicious with what appears on the surface as planned gouging.</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 17:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mathew: Perhaps the market &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; working &lt;i&gt;perfectly&lt;/i&gt; - with prices posted on huge signs at every gas station, operators know that being even 1 cent higher will send most of their customers to their competitors. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First off, understand that they all sell the same stuff and pay the same for it. For all the different brands of gasoline out there, there are really only three kinds in any one town - the government-mandated regular, premium, and in-between mixes. (Drive to the next town, and it might be a different government recipe at a different price, but every brand still has to be the same.) Ignore oil company advertising, they know there&#039;s nothing special about their products and will quite happily buy and sell gasoline with the other brands to keep their stations supplied. Your Mobile station may actually be pumping Shell today, and the Shell station may be pumping Mobile next week. If one brand was delivering fuel for half a cent less, they&#039;d probably get orders from every station in town until they ran out - and you&#039;d have station operators trying to figure out if they could afford to throw in another half cent of their own money to take customers from the other stations, but soon after one of them does that, the others will notice a drop in their business, look at their competitors&#039; signs, and rush out to match them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;OTOH, when costs go up, they estimate the bare minimum price raise needed to stay profitable, and then keep an eye on their competition as everyone changes their signs. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You don&#039;t get perfect price tracking like this for other products because most markets are imperfect. You have to walk into the stores to find the prices, and unless your time is worthless and you aren&#039;t burning gasoline to go to the next store, it takes more than a few cents price difference to make shopping around worthwhile. Different brands are actually &lt;i&gt;different,&lt;/i&gt; so comparing prices also involves trying to estimate how much quality and feature differences are worth.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mathew: Perhaps the market <i>is</i> working <i>perfectly</i> &#8211; with prices posted on huge signs at every gas station, operators know that being even 1 cent higher will send most of their customers to their competitors. </p>
<p>First off, understand that they all sell the same stuff and pay the same for it. For all the different brands of gasoline out there, there are really only three kinds in any one town &#8211; the government-mandated regular, premium, and in-between mixes. (Drive to the next town, and it might be a different government recipe at a different price, but every brand still has to be the same.) Ignore oil company advertising, they know there&#8217;s nothing special about their products and will quite happily buy and sell gasoline with the other brands to keep their stations supplied. Your Mobile station may actually be pumping Shell today, and the Shell station may be pumping Mobile next week. If one brand was delivering fuel for half a cent less, they&#8217;d probably get orders from every station in town until they ran out &#8211; and you&#8217;d have station operators trying to figure out if they could afford to throw in another half cent of their own money to take customers from the other stations, but soon after one of them does that, the others will notice a drop in their business, look at their competitors&#8217; signs, and rush out to match them.</p>
<p>OTOH, when costs go up, they estimate the bare minimum price raise needed to stay profitable, and then keep an eye on their competition as everyone changes their signs. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t get perfect price tracking like this for other products because most markets are imperfect. You have to walk into the stores to find the prices, and unless your time is worthless and you aren&#8217;t burning gasoline to go to the next store, it takes more than a few cents price difference to make shopping around worthwhile. Different brands are actually <i>different,</i> so comparing prices also involves trying to estimate how much quality and feature differences are worth.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnDewey</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnDewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 15:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I&#039;ve never driven through a block of gas stations and seen competitive pricing. They&#039;re always the exact same price.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What would you expect to see when retailers are competing on price?  If I own a gasoline station on a busy corner, I&#039;m going to immediately match the price change of the station across the street.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For what it&#039;s worth, I rarely see the exact same gasoline price all over the Dallas suburbs.  The Murphy stations outside Wal-Marts are usually lowest, but also generally have queues.  Valero and its subsidiary, Diamond Shamrock, are generally just a few cents higher but without the wait.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve never driven through a block of gas stations and seen competitive pricing. They&#8217;re always the exact same price.&#8221;</p>
<p>What would you expect to see when retailers are competing on price?  If I own a gasoline station on a busy corner, I&#8217;m going to immediately match the price change of the station across the street.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I rarely see the exact same gasoline price all over the Dallas suburbs.  The Murphy stations outside Wal-Marts are usually lowest, but also generally have queues.  Valero and its subsidiary, Diamond Shamrock, are generally just a few cents higher but without the wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 14:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well I think the reason for things like this is that we never see the market mechanism in the gas industry.  I&#039;ve never driven through a block of gas stations and seen competitive pricing.  They&#039;re always the exact same price.  Perhaps if you drive 50 miles to the next city you will see a different price, but never locally.  Why isn&#039;t the market working there?  I don&#039;t know.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I think the reason for things like this is that we never see the market mechanism in the gas industry.  I&#8217;ve never driven through a block of gas stations and seen competitive pricing.  They&#8217;re always the exact same price.  Perhaps if you drive 50 miles to the next city you will see a different price, but never locally.  Why isn&#8217;t the market working there?  I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
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		<dc:creator>dearieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 17:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve been wondering why our British politicians - ever prone to populist or socialistic stupidities - have not done something like this.  Suggestion: our retail gasoline prices are less sensitive than yours to the market price of crude oil, because we already pay much more tax on gasoline than you do.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been wondering why our British politicians &#8211; ever prone to populist or socialistic stupidities &#8211; have not done something like this.  Suggestion: our retail gasoline prices are less sensitive than yours to the market price of crude oil, because we already pay much more tax on gasoline than you do.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnDewey</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnDewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 16:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post, Warren! You&#039;ve helped me understand the full implications of this outrageous proposal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I only disagree about reducing the gasoline tax, which is basically a user fee. 80% or 85% of the tax funds highway building and maintenance. If we can&#039;t eliminate government owned highways (a different issue), the gasoline tax seems the cheapest and fairest funding mechanism. That tax has not been adjusted for inflation or for increased fuel efficiencies.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Warren! You&#8217;ve helped me understand the full implications of this outrageous proposal.</p>
<p>I only disagree about reducing the gasoline tax, which is basically a user fee. 80% or 85% of the tax funds highway building and maintenance. If we can&#8217;t eliminate government owned highways (a different issue), the gasoline tax seems the cheapest and fairest funding mechanism. That tax has not been adjusted for inflation or for increased fuel efficiencies.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnDewey</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnDewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 16:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post, Warren!  You&#039;ve helped me understand the full implications of this outrageous proposal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I only disagree about reducing the gasoline tax, which is basically a user fee.  80% or 85% of the tax funds highway building and maintenance.  If we can&#039;t eliminate government owned highways (a different issue), the gasoline tax seems the cheapest and fairest funding mechanism.  That tax has not been adjusted for inflation or for increased fuel efficiencies.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Warren!  You&#8217;ve helped me understand the full implications of this outrageous proposal.</p>
<p>I only disagree about reducing the gasoline tax, which is basically a user fee.  80% or 85% of the tax funds highway building and maintenance.  If we can&#8217;t eliminate government owned highways (a different issue), the gasoline tax seems the cheapest and fairest funding mechanism.  That tax has not been adjusted for inflation or for increased fuel efficiencies.</p>
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