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		<title>By: Herbal girl</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2006/04/more_on_massach.html/comment-page-1#comment-2487</link>
		<dc:creator>Herbal girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That was good mathematics, but what if it really cost that much? It&#039;s work of people and they&#039;d ruther do one for 1000$ then 50 times for 20$.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was good mathematics, but what if it really cost that much? It&#8217;s work of people and they&#8217;d ruther do one for 1000$ then 50 times for 20$.</p>
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		<title>By: pwyll</title>
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		<dc:creator>pwyll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to agree, that email was brilliant. Get that dude a blog.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree, that email was brilliant. Get that dude a blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe things are different here in middle America, but I have found that paying cash for medical treatment has been significantly less than buying insurance.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In fact, I paid cash for the birth of both of my children, mainly based on the fact that an honest agent told us we&#039;d spend less by saving and paying in cash as opposed to paying the maternity rider premiums. When I registered with the hospital, I signed a contract where I received 35% off their &#039;billed&#039; rates if I gave them a check within 30 days after discharge.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have done the same with dental work as well. I told them I was &#039;private pay&#039; and would right them a check for services rendered if they could cut me a deal. I had to call a couple different offices, but I easily found one that would deal. It must be that the quick cash in hand is so much better than the beaurocracy of payment from insurance.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On topic, I&#039;m glad I don&#039;t live in Mass. Wow.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe things are different here in middle America, but I have found that paying cash for medical treatment has been significantly less than buying insurance.</p>
<p>In fact, I paid cash for the birth of both of my children, mainly based on the fact that an honest agent told us we&#8217;d spend less by saving and paying in cash as opposed to paying the maternity rider premiums. When I registered with the hospital, I signed a contract where I received 35% off their &#8216;billed&#8217; rates if I gave them a check within 30 days after discharge.</p>
<p>I have done the same with dental work as well. I told them I was &#8216;private pay&#8217; and would right them a check for services rendered if they could cut me a deal. I had to call a couple different offices, but I easily found one that would deal. It must be that the quick cash in hand is so much better than the beaurocracy of payment from insurance.</p>
<p>On topic, I&#8217;m glad I don&#8217;t live in Mass. Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agreed with Don; it&#039;s ridiculous that the system is set up so that you&#039;re utterly screwed if you don&#039;t have prescription drug coverage (or indeed other insurance coverage) because you are billed so much more than the insurance companies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, effectively, one has to have health insurance.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Somehow, in my view, the US has managed to end up with the worst of all worlds in healthcare; it&#039;s expensive, inefficient, effectively unavailable to too many people, and not all that great in terms of quality of service either.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Even socialised medicine would be better, scarily enough.  Having grown up in a country (England) with socialised medicine, I know all too well its downsides, but the current US system does not seem to be any better - just badly done in a different way.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed with Don; it&#8217;s ridiculous that the system is set up so that you&#8217;re utterly screwed if you don&#8217;t have prescription drug coverage (or indeed other insurance coverage) because you are billed so much more than the insurance companies.</p>
<p>So, effectively, one has to have health insurance.  </p>
<p>Somehow, in my view, the US has managed to end up with the worst of all worlds in healthcare; it&#8217;s expensive, inefficient, effectively unavailable to too many people, and not all that great in terms of quality of service either.</p>
<p>Even socialised medicine would be better, scarily enough.  Having grown up in a country (England) with socialised medicine, I know all too well its downsides, but the current US system does not seem to be any better &#8211; just badly done in a different way.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 07:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;...Catastrophic medical insurance is currently illegal in Massachusetts....&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But this wouldn&#039;t solve the problem either because, as alluded to above, providers are forced to raise their prices to the uninsured so that they can stay in business accepting the 50 to 90% discounts that the insurers insist on. A system that forces pre-discount prescription drug prices well above those that a monopoly supplier would charge in a free market is broken.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regards, Don&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Catastrophic medical insurance is currently illegal in Massachusetts&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>But this wouldn&#8217;t solve the problem either because, as alluded to above, providers are forced to raise their prices to the uninsured so that they can stay in business accepting the 50 to 90% discounts that the insurers insist on. A system that forces pre-discount prescription drug prices well above those that a monopoly supplier would charge in a free market is broken.</p>
<p>Regards, Don</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Indeed.  I pay $738 a month in MA, spend an additional few grand a year out of pocket, and that will be even more when we ever decide the cash is there for the needed dentistry.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed.  I pay $738 a month in MA, spend an additional few grand a year out of pocket, and that will be even more when we ever decide the cash is there for the needed dentistry.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Along these lines, I think you&#039;d enjoy reading here about the medicare maze:&lt;br /&gt;
http://docisinblog.com/archives/2006/04/01/maze-pt-1&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along these lines, I think you&#8217;d enjoy reading here about the medicare maze:<br />
<a href="http://docisinblog.com/archives/2006/04/01/maze-pt-1" rel="nofollow">http://docisinblog.com/archives/2006/04/01/maze-pt-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Warren,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;  On your example of the cancer detection test, let&#039;s be fair.  Let&#039;s say that it can be covered by insurance for a $20 copay.  You can be sure that the insurance companies are only paying $350 for that $1000 test.  If you&#039;re uninsured and you try to get the same test, though, the hospital will charge you $4000 for it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;  Of course, governmental policies make it nearly impossible for individuals to obtain health insurance at reasonable rates, so they&#039;re exacerbating the problem.  But the insurance companies are able to contract lower-than-market rates for certain procedures as a group, and the hospitals make up the difference on the uninsured (or the government, sometimes)...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren,</p>
<p>  On your example of the cancer detection test, let&#8217;s be fair.  Let&#8217;s say that it can be covered by insurance for a $20 copay.  You can be sure that the insurance companies are only paying $350 for that $1000 test.  If you&#8217;re uninsured and you try to get the same test, though, the hospital will charge you $4000 for it.</p>
<p>  Of course, governmental policies make it nearly impossible for individuals to obtain health insurance at reasonable rates, so they&#8217;re exacerbating the problem.  But the insurance companies are able to contract lower-than-market rates for certain procedures as a group, and the hospitals make up the difference on the uninsured (or the government, sometimes)&#8230;</p>
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