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		<title>By: ReformerRay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReformerRay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Last comment was in July.  The issue is still relevant.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Your are correct that:&lt;br /&gt;
1.  The trade deficit does not create debt.  It sends financial assets overseas.  I reduces the Net Asset position of the U.S.&lt;br /&gt;
2.  The growth of the U.S. economy is creating Net Wealth much faster than we are shipping assets overseas.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It follows that as long as sentence #2 is true, the U.S. will be able to pay for our trade deficit with financial assets, without incuring debt.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, the capacity of the U.S. economy to continue to create financial assets faster than they are being sent overseas is not guaranteed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In 2005, foreign stock markets grew faster than the U.S. stock market.  If that reality continues, the U.S. is in  trouble.  Only by maintianing a stock market growing in value faster than other overseas options, do we entice investors to keep money in the U.S. stock market.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The trouble, for the U.S., of the large trade deficit, is that foreign sellers of goods to the U.S. use the receipt from their exports to increase their capacity to sell more exports cheaper.  They are in a positive feed-back cycle.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The capacity of U.S. firms to sell not only overseas, but in the U.S., is being destroyed daily by successful foreign producers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The U.S. could continue to participate successfully in international trade if it had the supporting conditions to gain control of the financial aspect of international trade.  Current trends show London and Switzerland and tax havens around the world, including some oil exporting rulers, are cutting the U.S. off from that option.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wealth creation in the U.S. is at risk by continuing the trade deficiit.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last comment was in July.  The issue is still relevant.</p>
<p>Your are correct that:<br />
1.  The trade deficit does not create debt.  It sends financial assets overseas.  I reduces the Net Asset position of the U.S.<br />
2.  The growth of the U.S. economy is creating Net Wealth much faster than we are shipping assets overseas.</p>
<p>It follows that as long as sentence #2 is true, the U.S. will be able to pay for our trade deficit with financial assets, without incuring debt.</p>
<p>However, the capacity of the U.S. economy to continue to create financial assets faster than they are being sent overseas is not guaranteed.</p>
<p>In 2005, foreign stock markets grew faster than the U.S. stock market.  If that reality continues, the U.S. is in  trouble.  Only by maintianing a stock market growing in value faster than other overseas options, do we entice investors to keep money in the U.S. stock market.  </p>
<p>The trouble, for the U.S., of the large trade deficit, is that foreign sellers of goods to the U.S. use the receipt from their exports to increase their capacity to sell more exports cheaper.  They are in a positive feed-back cycle.</p>
<p>The capacity of U.S. firms to sell not only overseas, but in the U.S., is being destroyed daily by successful foreign producers.</p>
<p>The U.S. could continue to participate successfully in international trade if it had the supporting conditions to gain control of the financial aspect of international trade.  Current trends show London and Switzerland and tax havens around the world, including some oil exporting rulers, are cutting the U.S. off from that option.</p>
<p>Wealth creation in the U.S. is at risk by continuing the trade deficiit.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre Kooy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre Kooy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A shame you only took 1 quote to comment upon.&lt;br /&gt;
I am an educated economist and I know very well the differences between trade and government deficit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I repeat my post here, because it is still valid.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dear sir,&lt;br /&gt;
I can show you where&#039;s the debt. Take your Fred example. If he&#039;s the average American, he then makes 50,000 USD a year, but spends 53,500 USD.&lt;br /&gt;
Hence the trade deficit, which is just the difference between what you make (GDP, or Fred&#039;s 53.500) and what you spend. The difference is currently 7% of GDP (or 3,500 USD for Fred).&lt;br /&gt;
Hence, Fred has 3,500 USD new debt this year, on top off all the debt he already has. Fred also needs to pay interest over his debt. If you spend more every year than you make, that is your personal trade deficit, and you accumulate debt, that needs servicing (= pay interest, or dividend when the Chinese invest in an US company; and the Chinese and other foreigners only do that to get more USD out than they invest now!)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, the current account deficit(currently almost identical to trade deficit) means that the US are accumulating more and more debt (or, in macro economic terminology: the Net International Investment Position is negative and growing).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This means that the US needs to pay more and more interest. High consumption in the current years needs to paid off, with interest, by future generations.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A shame you only took 1 quote to comment upon.<br />
I am an educated economist and I know very well the differences between trade and government deficit.</p>
<p>I repeat my post here, because it is still valid.</p>
<p>Dear sir,<br />
I can show you where&#8217;s the debt. Take your Fred example. If he&#8217;s the average American, he then makes 50,000 USD a year, but spends 53,500 USD.<br />
Hence the trade deficit, which is just the difference between what you make (GDP, or Fred&#8217;s 53.500) and what you spend. The difference is currently 7% of GDP (or 3,500 USD for Fred).<br />
Hence, Fred has 3,500 USD new debt this year, on top off all the debt he already has. Fred also needs to pay interest over his debt. If you spend more every year than you make, that is your personal trade deficit, and you accumulate debt, that needs servicing (= pay interest, or dividend when the Chinese invest in an US company; and the Chinese and other foreigners only do that to get more USD out than they invest now!)</p>
<p>So, the current account deficit(currently almost identical to trade deficit) means that the US are accumulating more and more debt (or, in macro economic terminology: the Net International Investment Position is negative and growing).</p>
<p>This means that the US needs to pay more and more interest. High consumption in the current years needs to paid off, with interest, by future generations.</p>
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		<title>By: unknown</title>
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		<dc:creator>unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 05:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree that wealth is not a zero-sum.&lt;br /&gt;
Pls. educate me if motivation a zero-sum?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that wealth is not a zero-sum.<br />
Pls. educate me if motivation a zero-sum?</p>
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		<title>By: Amateur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amateur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 21:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry for the double posting...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the double posting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ameteur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ameteur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While I agree fully with your view of the trade deficit and of the press, there is one angle in the trade imbalance that might be creating a problem:&lt;br /&gt;
If the trade deficit is not compensated by a surplus in services, it becomes a Balance of Paypents deficit.&lt;br /&gt;
A BOP deficit might, and probably will, cause an increase in the net debt of the US residents to foreign residents, and therefore, to a permanent increase in the flow if interest to be paid abroad.&lt;br /&gt;
The US used to have a huge financial services surplus. In the last years it has dissapeared, and even become a small deficit. If it becomes a larger deficit every year, I dont see how it will fail to cause some reduction in the US residents income and welfare.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree fully with your view of the trade deficit and of the press, there is one angle in the trade imbalance that might be creating a problem:<br />
If the trade deficit is not compensated by a surplus in services, it becomes a Balance of Paypents deficit.<br />
A BOP deficit might, and probably will, cause an increase in the net debt of the US residents to foreign residents, and therefore, to a permanent increase in the flow if interest to be paid abroad.<br />
The US used to have a huge financial services surplus. In the last years it has dissapeared, and even become a small deficit. If it becomes a larger deficit every year, I dont see how it will fail to cause some reduction in the US residents income and welfare.</p>
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		<title>By: Ameteur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ameteur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While I agree fully with your view of the trade deficit and of the press, there is one angle in the trade imbalance that might be creating a problem:&lt;br /&gt;
If the trade deficit is not compensated by a surplus in services, it becomes a Balance of Payments deficit.&lt;br /&gt;
A BOP deficit might, and probably will, cause an increase in the net debt of the US residents to foreign residents, and therefore, to a permanent increase in the flow if interest to be paid abroad.&lt;br /&gt;
The US used to have a huge financial services surplus. In the last years it has dissapeared, and even become a small deficit. If it becomes a larger deficit every year, I dont see how it will fail to cause some reduction in the US residents income and welfare.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree fully with your view of the trade deficit and of the press, there is one angle in the trade imbalance that might be creating a problem:<br />
If the trade deficit is not compensated by a surplus in services, it becomes a Balance of Payments deficit.<br />
A BOP deficit might, and probably will, cause an increase in the net debt of the US residents to foreign residents, and therefore, to a permanent increase in the flow if interest to be paid abroad.<br />
The US used to have a huge financial services surplus. In the last years it has dissapeared, and even become a small deficit. If it becomes a larger deficit every year, I dont see how it will fail to cause some reduction in the US residents income and welfare.</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;My first and second generation German immigrant family members never reported being harassed in any way.&quot; Not quite the experience of my ancestors, who felt they had to anglicize the spelling of the family name during WWI. Maybe that was a difference between WWI and WWII; by WWII, they had no accents and a common English name that just happens to sound like the original Teutonic name, and any harassment they got was from being Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses and alleged pacifists[1] who wouldn&#039;t salute the flag, not from being recognized as German.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;[1] In the tiny bit of JW teachings I couldn&#039;t avoid as a child, it sure sounded like they were ready to join Jesus&#039;s army at the Battle of Amageddon - so they weren&#039;t pacificists, they just didn&#039;t want to accidentally wind up on the wrong side. As for the flag thing, the JW&#039;s claim &quot;The Pledge of Allegiance&quot; is tantamount to idol worship...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My first and second generation German immigrant family members never reported being harassed in any way.&#8221; Not quite the experience of my ancestors, who felt they had to anglicize the spelling of the family name during WWI. Maybe that was a difference between WWI and WWII; by WWII, they had no accents and a common English name that just happens to sound like the original Teutonic name, and any harassment they got was from being Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses and alleged pacifists[1] who wouldn&#8217;t salute the flag, not from being recognized as German.</p>
<p>[1] In the tiny bit of JW teachings I couldn&#8217;t avoid as a child, it sure sounded like they were ready to join Jesus&#8217;s army at the Battle of Amageddon &#8211; so they weren&#8217;t pacificists, they just didn&#8217;t want to accidentally wind up on the wrong side. As for the flag thing, the JW&#8217;s claim &#8220;The Pledge of Allegiance&#8221; is tantamount to idol worship&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There were a lot more Germans than there were Japanese, so when you talk numbers, make it clear whether you are giving absolute numbers (so many thousand in camps) or relative to the size of the population, as well as whether the people affected were enemy subjects or American-born. AFAIK, nearly 100% of the west coast Japanese including second and third generation Americans were rounded up and sent off to camps, but in no place were all the German-Americans sent to camps - nor could we have afforded that big of a round-up. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Germans were sent to camps when there was evidence of their disloyalty. Not all of these were actually disloyal, and innocent family members might have been sent to the camps along with the suspected men, but that in no way compares to herding off everyone of a certain ethnicity residing in certain states, with or without evidence. What makes the difference even more striking is that there were indeed organizations of German-Americans with links back to an enemy government, and Hitler had quite plainly attempted to use these links to recruit spies and saboteurs in the USA, a number of whom had been caught. In spite of being able to read most Japanese codes, our counter-intelligence had caught just one Japanese-American spy, and he had been recruited after returning to Japan. The group that was factually least threatening was rounded up en-masse.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were a lot more Germans than there were Japanese, so when you talk numbers, make it clear whether you are giving absolute numbers (so many thousand in camps) or relative to the size of the population, as well as whether the people affected were enemy subjects or American-born. AFAIK, nearly 100% of the west coast Japanese including second and third generation Americans were rounded up and sent off to camps, but in no place were all the German-Americans sent to camps &#8211; nor could we have afforded that big of a round-up. </p>
<p>Germans were sent to camps when there was evidence of their disloyalty. Not all of these were actually disloyal, and innocent family members might have been sent to the camps along with the suspected men, but that in no way compares to herding off everyone of a certain ethnicity residing in certain states, with or without evidence. What makes the difference even more striking is that there were indeed organizations of German-Americans with links back to an enemy government, and Hitler had quite plainly attempted to use these links to recruit spies and saboteurs in the USA, a number of whom had been caught. In spite of being able to read most Japanese codes, our counter-intelligence had caught just one Japanese-American spy, and he had been recruited after returning to Japan. The group that was factually least threatening was rounded up en-masse.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m with you on everything here except the comment about internment camps. I think that Germans and Italians were indeed put into camps in the U.S., albeit in much smaller numbers.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on everything here except the comment about internment camps. I think that Germans and Italians were indeed put into camps in the U.S., albeit in much smaller numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Paleo con</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paleo con</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Italian and German Americans were sent internment camps during WWII.  Italians were forced to relocate inland from coastal California (2000 from Pittsburg, CA), sent to internment camps in Missoula, Montana and Crystal City, Texas.  So the racism charge about internment is not that strong and no reparations were paid to Italian or Germans unlike the Japanese Americans.  Obviously, you don&#039;t have your facts straight about who was interned.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Italian and German Americans were sent internment camps during WWII.  Italians were forced to relocate inland from coastal California (2000 from Pittsburg, CA), sent to internment camps in Missoula, Montana and Crystal City, Texas.  So the racism charge about internment is not that strong and no reparations were paid to Italian or Germans unlike the Japanese Americans.  Obviously, you don&#8217;t have your facts straight about who was interned.</p>
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