Comments on: More on the Health Care Trojan Horse for Fascism http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2006/03/more_on_the_hea.html Dispatches from a Small Business Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:39:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Alcohol counselor http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2006/03/more_on_the_hea.html/comment-page-1#comment-3152 Alcohol counselor Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:03:19 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2006/03/more_on_the_hea.html#comment-3152 <p>i bet that everything that human beings invented is not healthy for us.</p> i bet that everything that human beings invented is not healthy for us.

]]> By: markm http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2006/03/more_on_the_hea.html/comment-page-1#comment-3151 markm Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:19:36 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2006/03/more_on_the_hea.html#comment-3151 <p>Jeff: What risk? Look up "qualified immunity." Government officials are allowed to make stupid decisions and be free from lawsuits, where any private person making a similar stupid decision affecting someone else could be sued.</p> Jeff: What risk? Look up “qualified immunity.” Government officials are allowed to make stupid decisions and be free from lawsuits, where any private person making a similar stupid decision affecting someone else could be sued.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2006/03/more_on_the_hea.html/comment-page-1#comment-3150 Jeff Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:00:56 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2006/03/more_on_the_hea.html#comment-3150 <p>Just imagine the HIPPA risks. The IT security at local government agencies is generally horrible. If people are scared of insurance companies having personal health data, they should be even more scared of the government collecting it.</p> Just imagine the HIPPA risks. The IT security at local government agencies is generally horrible. If people are scared of insurance companies having personal health data, they should be even more scared of the government collecting it.

]]> By: Maurice Sonnenwirth http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2006/03/more_on_the_hea.html/comment-page-1#comment-3149 Maurice Sonnenwirth Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:59:35 +0000 http://coyote-blog.com/wordpress/2006/03/more_on_the_hea.html#comment-3149 <p>There is no question that you are correct about health care as a Trojan horse, and it is all because of the government funding. There is a both a knowledge problem and a slippery slope argument about this. The knowledge problem is...what are the appropriate measures to take? What's the best diet? How much exercise is too much? NO ONE KNOWS. Yes, the commonsense thing for Type 2 diabetes is to..be born to the right parents, exercise (but how much?) and avoid a lot of sugar (but wait, the sugar folks tell us it's not such a problem) and fat (but which fat: Just trans fats, all fats...but what about Crete where they use copious amounts of olive oil and live long lives?). </p> <p>The science is just not clear. That alone makes this frightening, as whatever the goverment tells us is not necessarly the "gospel" 10 years later...look at how we now demonize margarine, but for years, that's what we were told to eat. So it's infinitely stupid to even begin to try to control anyone; advice is good, but eroding our liberties so completely is absurd.</p> <p>The slippery slope is inherent in..where do they stop? You've already noted this, but there is no end to micro-managing our lives if they deem something "dangerous" to our health. Ostensibly they could make it so the only thing in the supermarket is that which THEY have deemed healthy, or add onerous taxes to the Twinkies and ice cream...but which product is really unhealthy? My daughter is a Type 1 diabetic, and I can tell from my standpoint, about 3/4ths of the local food market's products are not very healthy for her...but that's from my knowledge; if the government decides the same things, we could end up with as much choice as Soviet-era food shoppers had in Russia! </p> <p>Scary stuff, and you have brilliantly pointed it out more than anyone I have read. Only one other thing I would add is that the enormous costs of just administering these programs would be insane; medical care is already becoming more bureaucratized by the day, with the added costs of paperwork, added workers to cull through the billions of documents we generate...I think I counted something like 17 pieces of paper generated on every patient I see who walks through the door in the ER I work in...that's only what's visible to me and is NOT the entirety of the paperwork, just what comes to me, and that's on anyone, serious illness or stubbed toe...and so I want to know how they will pay for their vigilance.</p> <p>I would guess the argument will be that by these measures, diabetes costs will be controlled...but that is a chimeric ideal that will not pan out in the real world, IMHO. </p> <p>Thanks for the continued series about health care. It's an aspect completely ignored by both the public and many in the medical care community, who are propagandized into believing these are good measures, and have no concept of what you have pointed out, about how fascistic this is and how liberty is lost as a result. Thanks.</p> There is no question that you are correct about health care as a Trojan horse, and it is all because of the government funding. There is a both a knowledge problem and a slippery slope argument about this. The knowledge problem is…what are the appropriate measures to take? What’s the best diet? How much exercise is too much? NO ONE KNOWS. Yes, the commonsense thing for Type 2 diabetes is to..be born to the right parents, exercise (but how much?) and avoid a lot of sugar (but wait, the sugar folks tell us it’s not such a problem) and fat (but which fat: Just trans fats, all fats…but what about Crete where they use copious amounts of olive oil and live long lives?).

The science is just not clear. That alone makes this frightening, as whatever the goverment tells us is not necessarly the “gospel” 10 years later…look at how we now demonize margarine, but for years, that’s what we were told to eat. So it’s infinitely stupid to even begin to try to control anyone; advice is good, but eroding our liberties so completely is absurd.

The slippery slope is inherent in..where do they stop? You’ve already noted this, but there is no end to micro-managing our lives if they deem something “dangerous” to our health. Ostensibly they could make it so the only thing in the supermarket is that which THEY have deemed healthy, or add onerous taxes to the Twinkies and ice cream…but which product is really unhealthy? My daughter is a Type 1 diabetic, and I can tell from my standpoint, about 3/4ths of the local food market’s products are not very healthy for her…but that’s from my knowledge; if the government decides the same things, we could end up with as much choice as Soviet-era food shoppers had in Russia!

Scary stuff, and you have brilliantly pointed it out more than anyone I have read. Only one other thing I would add is that the enormous costs of just administering these programs would be insane; medical care is already becoming more bureaucratized by the day, with the added costs of paperwork, added workers to cull through the billions of documents we generate…I think I counted something like 17 pieces of paper generated on every patient I see who walks through the door in the ER I work in…that’s only what’s visible to me and is NOT the entirety of the paperwork, just what comes to me, and that’s on anyone, serious illness or stubbed toe…and so I want to know how they will pay for their vigilance.

I would guess the argument will be that by these measures, diabetes costs will be controlled…but that is a chimeric ideal that will not pan out in the real world, IMHO.

Thanks for the continued series about health care. It’s an aspect completely ignored by both the public and many in the medical care community, who are propagandized into believing these are good measures, and have no concept of what you have pointed out, about how fascistic this is and how liberty is lost as a result. Thanks.

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