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		<title>By: TheMalau</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/12/an_african_holi.html/comment-page-1#comment-3043</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am African, living in the United States for my studies, and I have to say that I am appaled by this post.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That you wanted to remind people of something that most people who celebrate Kwanzaa know already (That it was a made-up holiday), that&#039;s perfectly alright with me. It&#039;s even good.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, for you to condemn inherently African values as being pure Communism, I do not see your point. First of all, just because there might be some similarities between these values and Communist principles, does&#039;t make them less African. If you follow the cultural practices of most Bantu/Mandinka people, you will find that they often match many of these principles. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now I am not here to say that these principles are flawless and perfect. But within an envronment where most of the wealthy of the world (aka the West, US included) are intent on getting wealthier, generally on some other people&#039;s back, even if it means exploiting them shamelessly, destroying that people&#039;s culture, civilization and dignity, I can definitely see how one could feel cornered to think that cooperative economics within that people, and self-reliance, are the only solution. I have always said, and I will continue to say that if the West realized that they had some interest in the emancipation of black people, they would have let us in 1960. I mean you talk about AfAmericans having to thankful? Thankful to be healthier in a society that still treats them like second class citizens? Thankful to be in an environment where they have to justify every day, every rght that their ancestors fought so hard for them to have? Thankful for a society that called them 3/5 of a human? Hell no!!! The only thing they have to be thankful about, is to come from a resilient people that have given them the strength to weather all the excruciatingly vicious and cruel things that White people have been throwing at them, and continue to throw at them. That&#039;s something to be thankful for. I mean Coyote I normaly read your blog quite happily, but quel culot... I mean how dare you? I am normally a pretty moderate and relaxed guy about racial issues in this country, but you may have just changed that. Because you have just proven to me that White people still haven&#039;t understood their privilege, and the weight of their History. People in Africa live less well than African Americans? And whose fault is that? For 40 years we have had leaders that we were imposed by either side of the cold war. We were maintained in dictatorships for your stupid interests. You used us as pawns, and staging grounds for your proxy wars. You have contributed in regressing our standard of living for so long, fomented wars, ignited ethnic conflicts, and watched as a genocide occured, and you have the audacity t come and say that AfAmericans should be thankful? Thankful that White people, for their own selfish interests, have helped to reduce their motherland to poverty, better to be exploited? I mean are you seriously making this argument?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t get me wrong, I do not absolve the bad leaders we have had. They have a geat deal of respnsibility in what is happening now. But I will ALWAYS hold accountable all those behind the door Westerners (and Soviets) that put them in power, against the people&#039;s will. So if you want to criticize people, look at your own History, your own people, and their misdeeds, And for Chrisakes, leave us alone if we choose to celebrate the dream that one day we can stand on our own, without opression, as an equal people among nations. Because contary to what you seem to think, we are still oppressed. And you proved it to me.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am African, living in the United States for my studies, and I have to say that I am appaled by this post.</p>
<p>That you wanted to remind people of something that most people who celebrate Kwanzaa know already (That it was a made-up holiday), that&#8217;s perfectly alright with me. It&#8217;s even good.</p>
<p>Now, for you to condemn inherently African values as being pure Communism, I do not see your point. First of all, just because there might be some similarities between these values and Communist principles, does&#8217;t make them less African. If you follow the cultural practices of most Bantu/Mandinka people, you will find that they often match many of these principles. </p>
<p>Now I am not here to say that these principles are flawless and perfect. But within an envronment where most of the wealthy of the world (aka the West, US included) are intent on getting wealthier, generally on some other people&#8217;s back, even if it means exploiting them shamelessly, destroying that people&#8217;s culture, civilization and dignity, I can definitely see how one could feel cornered to think that cooperative economics within that people, and self-reliance, are the only solution. I have always said, and I will continue to say that if the West realized that they had some interest in the emancipation of black people, they would have let us in 1960. I mean you talk about AfAmericans having to thankful? Thankful to be healthier in a society that still treats them like second class citizens? Thankful to be in an environment where they have to justify every day, every rght that their ancestors fought so hard for them to have? Thankful for a society that called them 3/5 of a human? Hell no!!! The only thing they have to be thankful about, is to come from a resilient people that have given them the strength to weather all the excruciatingly vicious and cruel things that White people have been throwing at them, and continue to throw at them. That&#8217;s something to be thankful for. I mean Coyote I normaly read your blog quite happily, but quel culot&#8230; I mean how dare you? I am normally a pretty moderate and relaxed guy about racial issues in this country, but you may have just changed that. Because you have just proven to me that White people still haven&#8217;t understood their privilege, and the weight of their History. People in Africa live less well than African Americans? And whose fault is that? For 40 years we have had leaders that we were imposed by either side of the cold war. We were maintained in dictatorships for your stupid interests. You used us as pawns, and staging grounds for your proxy wars. You have contributed in regressing our standard of living for so long, fomented wars, ignited ethnic conflicts, and watched as a genocide occured, and you have the audacity t come and say that AfAmericans should be thankful? Thankful that White people, for their own selfish interests, have helped to reduce their motherland to poverty, better to be exploited? I mean are you seriously making this argument?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I do not absolve the bad leaders we have had. They have a geat deal of respnsibility in what is happening now. But I will ALWAYS hold accountable all those behind the door Westerners (and Soviets) that put them in power, against the people&#8217;s will. So if you want to criticize people, look at your own History, your own people, and their misdeeds, And for Chrisakes, leave us alone if we choose to celebrate the dream that one day we can stand on our own, without opression, as an equal people among nations. Because contary to what you seem to think, we are still oppressed. And you proved it to me.</p>
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		<title>By: nonewtaxes</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/12/an_african_holi.html/comment-page-1#comment-3042</link>
		<dc:creator>nonewtaxes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;Great piece on how the Kwanzaa principles have been implemented in Africa.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s just as Coyote describes, values perfectly constructed to keep blacks in poverty.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Great piece on how the Kwanzaa principles have been implemented in Africa.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just as Coyote describes, values perfectly constructed to keep blacks in poverty.</p>
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		<title>By: Cobb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The forty hour workweek was the creation of socialists and commies. Sometimes commies have good ideas. Nevertheless I defy anyone to find five blogs on the web that celebrate kwanzaa and are politically marxist.  Kwanzaa is no more Marxist than the Democratic party. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What astounds me about all of this anti-kwanzaa bs is the extent to which you have to depend on Ann Coulter and other biased reporters to suggest what evil is being done in America by it. If it weren&#039;t for Coulter&#039;s disinformation, none of you would even think of it. Why? Because, Kwanzaa in the proper context is firstly not political and secondly an intimate occasion with family and friends. There isn&#039;t an American Kwanzaa Party, or Think Tank or Lobby. There are essentially no political anything done on behalf of Kwanzaa or Kawaida. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I find it a poor reflection on the character of a number of individuals that they would visit the sins of Karenga on the many American families who celebrate Kwanzaa and understand that values and rituals are not of the same species as political agendas and propaganda. They may have felt they have won a rhetorical battle, but they are only shouting in vain. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would gladly engage anyone via email or at my blog to put the rites and rationale of kwanzaa in proper perspective. That is what is sorely missing. &lt;br /&gt;
The proper historical context for the creation of Kwanzaa is a decent exploration into the Black Arts Movement in Los Angeles and the rationale, purposes and results of Black Cultural Nationalism. I don&#039;t see any evidence here that people are up to that task - certainly not anyone who takes Coulter seriously, ie college educated people who actually think for themselves. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The forty hour workweek was the creation of socialists and commies. Sometimes commies have good ideas. Nevertheless I defy anyone to find five blogs on the web that celebrate kwanzaa and are politically marxist.  Kwanzaa is no more Marxist than the Democratic party. </p>
<p>What astounds me about all of this anti-kwanzaa bs is the extent to which you have to depend on Ann Coulter and other biased reporters to suggest what evil is being done in America by it. If it weren&#8217;t for Coulter&#8217;s disinformation, none of you would even think of it. Why? Because, Kwanzaa in the proper context is firstly not political and secondly an intimate occasion with family and friends. There isn&#8217;t an American Kwanzaa Party, or Think Tank or Lobby. There are essentially no political anything done on behalf of Kwanzaa or Kawaida. </p>
<p>I find it a poor reflection on the character of a number of individuals that they would visit the sins of Karenga on the many American families who celebrate Kwanzaa and understand that values and rituals are not of the same species as political agendas and propaganda. They may have felt they have won a rhetorical battle, but they are only shouting in vain. </p>
<p>I would gladly engage anyone via email or at my blog to put the rites and rationale of kwanzaa in proper perspective. That is what is sorely missing. <br />
The proper historical context for the creation of Kwanzaa is a decent exploration into the Black Arts Movement in Los Angeles and the rationale, purposes and results of Black Cultural Nationalism. I don&#8217;t see any evidence here that people are up to that task &#8211; certainly not anyone who takes Coulter seriously, ie college educated people who actually think for themselves. </p>
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		<title>By: Macker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A long time ago, my brother-in-law referred to Kwanzaa as the &quot;N*gg*r Christmas.&quot; While I do not agree with that sentiment, I DO agree that Kwanzaa is Marxism at its core, and its creator, a convicted felon, is trying to &quot;redeem&quot; himself in the eyes of his peers, kinda like what the late, great Tookie Williams tried to do with the children&#039;s books.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A long time ago, my brother-in-law referred to Kwanzaa as the &#8220;N*gg*r Christmas.&#8221; While I do not agree with that sentiment, I DO agree that Kwanzaa is Marxism at its core, and its creator, a convicted felon, is trying to &#8220;redeem&#8221; himself in the eyes of his peers, kinda like what the late, great Tookie Williams tried to do with the children&#8217;s books.</p>
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		<title>By: poxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>poxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;XC- 135, you would have a valid point if not for the fact that the author of this &quot;valuable service&quot; neatly provides a point-by-point expression of his guiding principles in life as a response to some crazy holiday propaganda. why couldnt he just say that it was crazy marxist propaganda disguised as a holiday and end it at that? do you see where im coming from?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>XC- 135, you would have a valid point if not for the fact that the author of this &#8220;valuable service&#8221; neatly provides a point-by-point expression of his guiding principles in life as a response to some crazy holiday propaganda. why couldnt he just say that it was crazy marxist propaganda disguised as a holiday and end it at that? do you see where im coming from?</p>
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		<title>By: Garthnak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garthnak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Look, poxy - Coyote is providing a service, in that he is reminding people of the historical origins of this holiday which many people have misconceptions about.  By themselves, certain of the Kwanzaa traditions might not seem sinister to you - but in the larger contex that includes the intentions of the holiday&#039;s creators, they _do_ have this other, possibly less obvious meaning.  Celebrated _correctly_, that is, according to Karenga, Kwanzaa is basically a holiday that represents extremist black nationalism combined with Marxist communism.  It is portrayed in a simplistic form so that average families can celebrate it, but it really all boils down to a propaganda piece.  And anyone who celebrates Kwanzaa without knowing it&#039;s full history has been misled and deserves to know more of this information.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And XC-135 - who exactly are you to dictate the contents of Coyote&#039;s blog?  Is there some particular reason he should respect _your_ wishes above anyone else&#039;s?  I for one enjoyed the post.  If Coyote &quot;disappoints&quot; you with any particular post - hey, you&#039;re free not to read it!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, poxy &#8211; Coyote is providing a service, in that he is reminding people of the historical origins of this holiday which many people have misconceptions about.  By themselves, certain of the Kwanzaa traditions might not seem sinister to you &#8211; but in the larger contex that includes the intentions of the holiday&#8217;s creators, they _do_ have this other, possibly less obvious meaning.  Celebrated _correctly_, that is, according to Karenga, Kwanzaa is basically a holiday that represents extremist black nationalism combined with Marxist communism.  It is portrayed in a simplistic form so that average families can celebrate it, but it really all boils down to a propaganda piece.  And anyone who celebrates Kwanzaa without knowing it&#8217;s full history has been misled and deserves to know more of this information.</p>
<p>And XC-135 &#8211; who exactly are you to dictate the contents of Coyote&#8217;s blog?  Is there some particular reason he should respect _your_ wishes above anyone else&#8217;s?  I for one enjoyed the post.  If Coyote &#8220;disappoints&#8221; you with any particular post &#8211; hey, you&#8217;re free not to read it!</p>
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		<title>By: XC-135</title>
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		<dc:creator>XC-135</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Coyote, u let me down with this post. Will come back again though. Don&#039;t disappoint me again. Think next time before posting. Please&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coyote, u let me down with this post. Will come back again though. Don&#8217;t disappoint me again. Think next time before posting. Please</p>
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		<title>By: poxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>poxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i just didnt like the way he took simple phrases that could have meant anything and directed his tirade against those. for exampe, what&#039;s wrong with this statement if you just read it on a bus or somewhere and didnt know it came from a self-proclaimed communist: &quot;To do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it.&quot; - honestly, what&#039;s so inherently evil about this? only once you turn it upside down and attach all sorts of meanings to it is when it becomes communist propaganda. and the funniest part is when the author of this tirade finds it necessary to list his guiding principles of life, and this is to counter some freakin lunatic that invented a holiday by the name of kwanzaa? come on, this is just ridiculous.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just didnt like the way he took simple phrases that could have meant anything and directed his tirade against those. for exampe, what&#8217;s wrong with this statement if you just read it on a bus or somewhere and didnt know it came from a self-proclaimed communist: &#8220;To do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it.&#8221; &#8211; honestly, what&#8217;s so inherently evil about this? only once you turn it upside down and attach all sorts of meanings to it is when it becomes communist propaganda. and the funniest part is when the author of this tirade finds it necessary to list his guiding principles of life, and this is to counter some freakin lunatic that invented a holiday by the name of kwanzaa? come on, this is just ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, it is easier not to recognize the German background, than fleeing from Kwanza. Since I am German and I have to deal with many people who think all Germans worship Hitler, I think it is no great loss that you are not interested in your background :)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it is easier not to recognize the German background, than fleeing from Kwanza. Since I am German and I have to deal with many people who think all Germans worship Hitler, I think it is no great loss that you are not interested in your background <img src='http://www.coyoteblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Garthnak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garthnak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;poxy, Karenga is an avowed socialist and Marxist from as far back as the 70&#039;s, so I don&#039;t really know why you&#039;re &quot;sure he wasn&#039;t a communist&quot; - he STILL IS a Communist!  Nothing Coyote wrote about is &quot;automatically&quot; Communism - it IS Communism, because it was created by a Communist with (at least in part) Communist intentions.  Granted that it&#039;s not as overt as, say, M&amp;E&#039;s Manifesto - but it&#039;s still there.  The phrase &quot;cooperative economics&quot; by itself is pretty much the dead give-away.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poxy, Karenga is an avowed socialist and Marxist from as far back as the 70&#8242;s, so I don&#8217;t really know why you&#8217;re &#8220;sure he wasn&#8217;t a communist&#8221; &#8211; he STILL IS a Communist!  Nothing Coyote wrote about is &#8220;automatically&#8221; Communism &#8211; it IS Communism, because it was created by a Communist with (at least in part) Communist intentions.  Granted that it&#8217;s not as overt as, say, M&#038;E&#8217;s Manifesto &#8211; but it&#8217;s still there.  The phrase &#8220;cooperative economics&#8221; by itself is pretty much the dead give-away.</p>
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