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		<title>By: DaveJ</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/06/the_public_be_d.html/comment-page-1#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If it&#039;s easy to demonstrate a public interest when the public has demonstrated no interest, then I invite you to do so.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The money wasted on rail transport could easily improve surface transport and alleviate most of the problems you alluded to without mentioning.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You cite &#039;pushing the cost (of what?) onto (the poor)&#039;, but how is this any worse than land use restrictions that require people to live far from their jobs? In fact, given most ridership levels, it might be cheaper to give out taxi vouchers than to build trains. Again, if YOU feel so strongly about the issue, spend YOUR OWN money, not mine. What&#039;s wrong with that?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Love your straw man about letting roads deteriorate. Simple answer. The roads are being used, the rail lines are a wasteful boondoggle. Where should the money be spent? I vote for where it&#039;s being used.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s easy to demonstrate a public interest when the public has demonstrated no interest, then I invite you to do so.</p>
<p>The money wasted on rail transport could easily improve surface transport and alleviate most of the problems you alluded to without mentioning.</p>
<p>You cite &#8216;pushing the cost (of what?) onto (the poor)&#8217;, but how is this any worse than land use restrictions that require people to live far from their jobs? In fact, given most ridership levels, it might be cheaper to give out taxi vouchers than to build trains. Again, if YOU feel so strongly about the issue, spend YOUR OWN money, not mine. What&#8217;s wrong with that?</p>
<p>Love your straw man about letting roads deteriorate. Simple answer. The roads are being used, the rail lines are a wasteful boondoggle. Where should the money be spent? I vote for where it&#8217;s being used.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Gran</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/06/the_public_be_d.html/comment-page-1#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>Duane Gran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;If they can&#039;t pay for it, and you won&#039;t support it voluntarily, why should it exist on my back?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Because there is an easily demonstrated public interest in supporting multiple modes of transportation.  Let&#039;s turn this one around for a moment and suppose that we let these wasteful rail lines shut down.  What are the consequences?  Namely, more cars on the road (which encapsulates a variety of negative effects) and pushing the cost onto the segment of society that can least afford private transportation.  At this point Libertarians often queue up to explain that this isn&#039;t their problem, but it really isn&#039;t that expensive to keep rail lines functional but it is terribly expensive to let them shut down.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The odd thing is that I don&#039;t hear Libertarian arguments for letting roads deteriorate.  Why does rail transportation deserve such special status?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If they can&#8217;t pay for it, and you won&#8217;t support it voluntarily, why should it exist on my back?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because there is an easily demonstrated public interest in supporting multiple modes of transportation.  Let&#8217;s turn this one around for a moment and suppose that we let these wasteful rail lines shut down.  What are the consequences?  Namely, more cars on the road (which encapsulates a variety of negative effects) and pushing the cost onto the segment of society that can least afford private transportation.  At this point Libertarians often queue up to explain that this isn&#8217;t their problem, but it really isn&#8217;t that expensive to keep rail lines functional but it is terribly expensive to let them shut down.</p>
<p>The odd thing is that I don&#8217;t hear Libertarian arguments for letting roads deteriorate.  Why does rail transportation deserve such special status?</p>
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		<title>By: DaveJ</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/06/the_public_be_d.html/comment-page-1#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;it does mean that we should use eminent domain to build railroads and that taxes should be used to support some rail lines that the marketplace won&#039;t address.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why? Or perhaps more to the point, which ones specificly?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You are trying to justify taking money from a group of people, to provide a service, that the users of the service are unwilling or unable to pay the operating costs for.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you personally, and a few of your friends, get a warm fuzzy feeling about Amtrak or BART running, even at a loss, why should I be forced to pony up for some peoples&#039; cheap ride and your warm fuzzies? If they can&#039;t pay for it, and you won&#039;t support it voluntarily, why should it exist on my back?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it does mean that we should use eminent domain to build railroads and that taxes should be used to support some rail lines that the marketplace won&#8217;t address.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why? Or perhaps more to the point, which ones specificly?</p>
<p>You are trying to justify taking money from a group of people, to provide a service, that the users of the service are unwilling or unable to pay the operating costs for.</p>
<p>If you personally, and a few of your friends, get a warm fuzzy feeling about Amtrak or BART running, even at a loss, why should I be forced to pony up for some peoples&#8217; cheap ride and your warm fuzzies? If they can&#8217;t pay for it, and you won&#8217;t support it voluntarily, why should it exist on my back?</p>
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		<title>By: lrC</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/06/the_public_be_d.html/comment-page-1#comment-1353</link>
		<dc:creator>lrC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IOW, your convenience should be served and you insulated from your own poor judgement at my expense?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IOW, your convenience should be served and you insulated from your own poor judgement at my expense?</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Gran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane Gran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is much easier to damn the public than to empathize with it.  People purchase homes and make non-trivial decisions based on transportation, but when they raise their concerns I suppose they should just be damned, right?  The tone of this essay, and many others here, imply that the public good is a design for evil intentions, but there is in fact a compelling public interest in transportation.  This doesn&#039;t mean that businesses are held hostage to whim, but it does mean that we should use eminent domain to build railroads and that taxes should be used to support some rail lines that the marketplace won&#039;t address.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is much easier to damn the public than to empathize with it.  People purchase homes and make non-trivial decisions based on transportation, but when they raise their concerns I suppose they should just be damned, right?  The tone of this essay, and many others here, imply that the public good is a design for evil intentions, but there is in fact a compelling public interest in transportation.  This doesn&#8217;t mean that businesses are held hostage to whim, but it does mean that we should use eminent domain to build railroads and that taxes should be used to support some rail lines that the marketplace won&#8217;t address.</p>
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