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	<title>Comments on: So Much for Federalism and the Commerce Clause</title>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/06/so_much_for_fed.html/comment-page-1#comment-1290</link>
		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2005 05:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;the three most conservative judges supporting state legalization&quot;? What you been smoking? O&#039;Connor is no conservative, although Rehnquist and Thomas certainly are. But think about what O&#039;Connor and Rehnquist have in common: they&#039;ve been in cancer therapy. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thomas simply followed his principles here. Scalia didn&#039;t. The four liberals on the majority side followed the basic liberal principal (the government can do whatever it pleases) over other liberal principles...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the three most conservative judges supporting state legalization&#8221;? What you been smoking? O&#8217;Connor is no conservative, although Rehnquist and Thomas certainly are. But think about what O&#8217;Connor and Rehnquist have in common: they&#8217;ve been in cancer therapy. </p>
<p>Thomas simply followed his principles here. Scalia didn&#8217;t. The four liberals on the majority side followed the basic liberal principal (the government can do whatever it pleases) over other liberal principles&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Warbiany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Warbiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I also wrote a post on this, so I won&#039;t rehash too much here.  But for Matt above, I suggest you check out Findlaw.org and read Scalia&#039;s opinion.  I certainly don&#039;t like it, but he didn&#039;t just join the majority on the grounds that it was an interstate commerce issue based on Wickard v. Filburn.  I too was very surprised that Thomas went this way, especially after he was against direct shipments of wine in the recent SCOTUS case on that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My post can be found at http://unrepentantindividual.com/2005/06/07/the-interstate-commerce-clause-a-reductio-ad-absurdum/ , if anyone is interested...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also wrote a post on this, so I won&#8217;t rehash too much here.  But for Matt above, I suggest you check out Findlaw.org and read Scalia&#8217;s opinion.  I certainly don&#8217;t like it, but he didn&#8217;t just join the majority on the grounds that it was an interstate commerce issue based on Wickard v. Filburn.  I too was very surprised that Thomas went this way, especially after he was against direct shipments of wine in the recent SCOTUS case on that.</p>
<p>My post can be found at <a href="http://unrepentantindividual.com/2005/06/07/the-interstate-commerce-clause-a-reductio-ad-absurdum/" rel="nofollow">http://unrepentantindividual.com/2005/06/07/the-interstate-commerce-clause-a-reductio-ad-absurdum/</a> , if anyone is interested&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/06/so_much_for_fed.html/comment-page-1#comment-1288</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am profoundly disappointed in Justice Scalia, and just as profoundly surprised by Justice Thomas. Who would ever have thought that the latter would take the absolutist view (also known as the _correct_ view) on enumerated powers while the former ignored a twisted-logic reading of the Constitutional text that opens a loophole in limited government that you could push an oil tanker through sideways?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Enumerated _rights_ still get a smattering of respect, but nobody taken seriously in government has given even a passing thought to enumerated _powers_ since the New Deal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jason: All other things being equal, &quot;lawmaking closer to the people who live under those laws&quot; may indeed encourage smaller and less-intrusive government. There are credible arguments and a fair amount of evidence supporting this proposition. And to whatever extent it&#039;s true, I would enthusiastically support moving lawmaking as close to the people as possible. But I (and, I suspect, our host) regard the smaller and less intrusive government as the primary good to be sought, and the federalism as merely a tool which can be useful to that end, and should be employed to the extent it&#039;s useful and ignored in any context where it isn&#039;t. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Dogmatic&quot; federalists, on the other hand, would be people for whom the principles of federalism were themselves primary, and who therefore believed that those principles should be applied without necessarily being concerned with their actual effect, in particular contexts, on the gestalt experience of government by citizens. Or, to put a more charitable spin on it, one could posit that they are those who simply assume in advance that devolving the maximum practicable amount of power on the smallest possible units will necessarily and in all cases have positive results.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am profoundly disappointed in Justice Scalia, and just as profoundly surprised by Justice Thomas. Who would ever have thought that the latter would take the absolutist view (also known as the _correct_ view) on enumerated powers while the former ignored a twisted-logic reading of the Constitutional text that opens a loophole in limited government that you could push an oil tanker through sideways?</p>
<p>Enumerated _rights_ still get a smattering of respect, but nobody taken seriously in government has given even a passing thought to enumerated _powers_ since the New Deal.</p>
<p>Jason: All other things being equal, &#8220;lawmaking closer to the people who live under those laws&#8221; may indeed encourage smaller and less-intrusive government. There are credible arguments and a fair amount of evidence supporting this proposition. And to whatever extent it&#8217;s true, I would enthusiastically support moving lawmaking as close to the people as possible. But I (and, I suspect, our host) regard the smaller and less intrusive government as the primary good to be sought, and the federalism as merely a tool which can be useful to that end, and should be employed to the extent it&#8217;s useful and ignored in any context where it isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>&#8220;Dogmatic&#8221; federalists, on the other hand, would be people for whom the principles of federalism were themselves primary, and who therefore believed that those principles should be applied without necessarily being concerned with their actual effect, in particular contexts, on the gestalt experience of government by citizens. Or, to put a more charitable spin on it, one could posit that they are those who simply assume in advance that devolving the maximum practicable amount of power on the smallest possible units will necessarily and in all cases have positive results.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice place ya got here - and well said re: the Raich decision.  I imagine I&#039;ll be back here from time to time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wrote a big post on my blog about the decision, so I won&#039;t rehash comments I think we&#039;d both agree to, but I wanted to engage you on your opening statement: I tend to be a pragmatic, rather than a dogmatic, federalist.  What I mean by that is that I support federalism for the pragmatic reason that it tends to slow statism, rather than a dogmatic belief that federalism is somehow morally superior.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure why they&#039;re mutually exclusive.  Couldn&#039;t federalism&#039;s pragmatic advantage of slowing statism be an acknowledgement that less statism is morally superior to more statism and that therefore anything that reduces or slows statism is morally superior to anything that increases or speeds statism?  Federalism, applied faithfully and correctly, keeps lawmaking closer to the people who live under those laws than does centralization, and when coupled with a libertarian view of self-ownership and the inability of individuals to delegate powers they do not possess to a government, it makes it easier to keep people from infringing the rights of others - which is morally superior than the alternative.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So anyway, I&#039;m no law professor and certainly no expert on federalism (though I&#039;m trying - working my way through The Federalist and The Anti-Federalist as well as other writings of the time [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0940450429], and http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0739102869/ is next on the list), but it seems to me that being a pragmatic federalist and being a dogmatic federalist shouldn&#039;t be mutually exclusive.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice place ya got here &#8211; and well said re: the Raich decision.  I imagine I&#8217;ll be back here from time to time.</p>
<p>I wrote a big post on my blog about the decision, so I won&#8217;t rehash comments I think we&#8217;d both agree to, but I wanted to engage you on your opening statement: I tend to be a pragmatic, rather than a dogmatic, federalist.  What I mean by that is that I support federalism for the pragmatic reason that it tends to slow statism, rather than a dogmatic belief that federalism is somehow morally superior.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why they&#8217;re mutually exclusive.  Couldn&#8217;t federalism&#8217;s pragmatic advantage of slowing statism be an acknowledgement that less statism is morally superior to more statism and that therefore anything that reduces or slows statism is morally superior to anything that increases or speeds statism?  Federalism, applied faithfully and correctly, keeps lawmaking closer to the people who live under those laws than does centralization, and when coupled with a libertarian view of self-ownership and the inability of individuals to delegate powers they do not possess to a government, it makes it easier to keep people from infringing the rights of others &#8211; which is morally superior than the alternative.</p>
<p>So anyway, I&#8217;m no law professor and certainly no expert on federalism (though I&#8217;m trying &#8211; working my way through The Federalist and The Anti-Federalist as well as other writings of the time [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0940450429], and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0739102869/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0739102869/</a> is next on the list), but it seems to me that being a pragmatic federalist and being a dogmatic federalist shouldn&#8217;t be mutually exclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: A Stitch in Haste</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Stitch in Haste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;On the Gay-Raich Connection&lt;/strong&gt;

As a gay blogger/blawger who must relentlessly endure hearing how &lt;s&gt;mob rule&lt;/s&gt; the democratic process (as opposed to, um, the plain language of the Constitution) is the source of all governm...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>On the Gay-Raich Connection</strong></p>
<p>As a gay blogger/blawger who must relentlessly endure hearing how <s>mob rule</s> the democratic process (as opposed to, um, the plain language of the Constitution) is the source of all governm&#8230;</p>
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