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		<title>By: Paul Gowder</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/04/a_guide_to_ad_h.html/comment-page-1#comment-2886</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Gowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree that the method of procurement of, e.g., a piece of legislation is irrelevant to the truth or falsity of the purported social benefits or detriments thereof.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, my point is that certain things other than the truth or falsity of such propositions are directly relevant to whether a given policy should be implemented in a democratic society.  And one of those things is whether it was procured by corruption.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So my statement &quot;the bankruptcy bill was procured by near-bribery,&quot; for example, or the example above, &quot;that study was bought by the power industry&quot; does not directly impact the merits of the bankruptcy bill or the study.  However, it does tell us that there&#039;s a countervailing consideration against implementing the bill or the recommendations. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(My point works much better with my purchased legislation example than the purchased study example, admittedly.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s sort of like the exclusionary rule.  If the police search someone&#039;s house without a warrant and find evidence of illegal activity, we don&#039;t let them introduce that evidence at trial -- even though it&#039;s probative on the issue of the guilt or innocence of the criminal -- because we&#039;ve made a decision that it&#039;s more important to keep the system clean of the misconduct that procured it.  Much the same could be said of bills, studies, commentary, etc. produced by corruption.  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the method of procurement of, e.g., a piece of legislation is irrelevant to the truth or falsity of the purported social benefits or detriments thereof.  </p>
<p>However, my point is that certain things other than the truth or falsity of such propositions are directly relevant to whether a given policy should be implemented in a democratic society.  And one of those things is whether it was procured by corruption.</p>
<p>So my statement &#8220;the bankruptcy bill was procured by near-bribery,&#8221; for example, or the example above, &#8220;that study was bought by the power industry&#8221; does not directly impact the merits of the bankruptcy bill or the study.  However, it does tell us that there&#8217;s a countervailing consideration against implementing the bill or the recommendations. </p>
<p>(My point works much better with my purchased legislation example than the purchased study example, admittedly.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sort of like the exclusionary rule.  If the police search someone&#8217;s house without a warrant and find evidence of illegal activity, we don&#8217;t let them introduce that evidence at trial &#8212; even though it&#8217;s probative on the issue of the guilt or innocence of the criminal &#8212; because we&#8217;ve made a decision that it&#8217;s more important to keep the system clean of the misconduct that procured it.  Much the same could be said of bills, studies, commentary, etc. produced by corruption.  </p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/04/a_guide_to_ad_h.html/comment-page-1#comment-2885</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Paul, you miss the point on why the ad hominem argument is considered a fallacy:  it does not address an idea or an argument but the person who is making the argument or expressing the idea.  It&#039;s irrelevant.  It might be relevant to whether the person is credible or worthy of holding office but that, too, is irrelevant to the truth or falsity of a proposition.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, you miss the point on why the ad hominem argument is considered a fallacy:  it does not address an idea or an argument but the person who is making the argument or expressing the idea.  It&#8217;s irrelevant.  It might be relevant to whether the person is credible or worthy of holding office but that, too, is irrelevant to the truth or falsity of a proposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Gowder</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/04/a_guide_to_ad_h.html/comment-page-1#comment-2884</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Gowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve been mounting a spirited defense of the &quot;ad himinem source of funding&quot; argument for a while now, and I&#039;ll do it again.  The source of funding for a position IS relevant to some policy decisions.  Here&#039;s a thought experiment to illustrate:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Suppose you&#039;re the president, and a bill comes to your desk with the following history: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- I stole $2,690,000 from the public via a massive scam and used that money to bribe a majority of Congress (at 10k a pop) to pass this bill.&lt;br /&gt;
- The bill taxes every American two dollars and gives that money to me.&lt;br /&gt;
- The bill requires me to use half of the money to build a new road between Washington D.C. and New York, which is badly needed.&lt;br /&gt;
- If the government built the road itself, it would cost a billion bucks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As president, should you sign this bill?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I say no, because, even though as a matter of pure economics, the public benefits (the net of my ill-gotten gains is less than the cost savings from the needed road), it&#039;s obtained by corruption.  And the passage of a bill obviously obtained by corruption injures the strength and legitimacy of the democratic process.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Corruption, which is what &quot;ad hominem source of funding&quot; attacks are usually directed at, is itself a social ill for which no quarter should be given, and which may itself recommend against policy proposals.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been mounting a spirited defense of the &#8220;ad himinem source of funding&#8221; argument for a while now, and I&#8217;ll do it again.  The source of funding for a position IS relevant to some policy decisions.  Here&#8217;s a thought experiment to illustrate:</p>
<p>Suppose you&#8217;re the president, and a bill comes to your desk with the following history: </p>
<p>- I stole $2,690,000 from the public via a massive scam and used that money to bribe a majority of Congress (at 10k a pop) to pass this bill.<br />
- The bill taxes every American two dollars and gives that money to me.<br />
- The bill requires me to use half of the money to build a new road between Washington D.C. and New York, which is badly needed.<br />
- If the government built the road itself, it would cost a billion bucks.</p>
<p>As president, should you sign this bill?  </p>
<p>I say no, because, even though as a matter of pure economics, the public benefits (the net of my ill-gotten gains is less than the cost savings from the needed road), it&#8217;s obtained by corruption.  And the passage of a bill obviously obtained by corruption injures the strength and legitimacy of the democratic process.</p>
<p>Corruption, which is what &#8220;ad hominem source of funding&#8221; attacks are usually directed at, is itself a social ill for which no quarter should be given, and which may itself recommend against policy proposals.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/04/a_guide_to_ad_h.html/comment-page-1#comment-2883</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One of the reasons you may not see ad hominem arguments as growing is that arguers-by-fallacy seem to be heading for greener pastures.  I&#039;ve seen a lot more reversing the burden of proof fallacies lately, for example.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons you may not see ad hominem arguments as growing is that arguers-by-fallacy seem to be heading for greener pastures.  I&#8217;ve seen a lot more reversing the burden of proof fallacies lately, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/04/a_guide_to_ad_h.html/comment-page-1#comment-2882</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s the ever-popular &lt;i&gt;ad hominem tu quoque&lt;/i&gt; in which the counter-advocate accuses the advocate of being a hypocrite because he or she does the same thing (it&#039;s irrelevant).&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s the ever-popular <i>ad hominem tu quoque</i> in which the counter-advocate accuses the advocate of being a hypocrite because he or she does the same thing (it&#8217;s irrelevant).</p>
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		<title>By: Quincy</title>
		<link>http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/04/a_guide_to_ad_h.html/comment-page-1#comment-2881</link>
		<dc:creator>Quincy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 05:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Nizkor Project offers a full list of logical fallacies which are intended to arm readers against the mostly-fallacious arguments of Holocaust Revisionists.  They are, however, great to bookmark and reference when reading anything in which something doesn&#039;t ring right.  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nizkor Project offers a full list of logical fallacies which are intended to arm readers against the mostly-fallacious arguments of Holocaust Revisionists.  They are, however, great to bookmark and reference when reading anything in which something doesn&#8217;t ring right.  </p>
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